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The local forecasts have been promising a renewed heatwave, with news headlines of 'furnace Cyprus' and the like, but while temperatures are certainly on the high side, they are only a few degrees up on normal. Today at Cape Greko which has incredible blue sea - almost velvety purple - next to Ayia Napa we recorded 37 degrees and the sun felt hot, too hot for the walking trails - the guys selling sandwiches out of the van said they are too hot to work, and have never known a summer like it for hot weather, while last week in Latchi near Polis, the waiters were blaming everything from too many swimming pools to the wrong kind of trees (imported palms) for the hottest weather in their memory. At the Vouni donkey sanctuary some 20 miles north of Limassol three days ago we also recorded 37 degrees and got sunburnt in less than half an hour. Some lovely donkeys there by the way, many of whom are up for cuddles and pats - we gave them as much of our money as we could, and will be back to adopt a donkey or two in October; it's in some lovely countryside on the Cyprus wine route also: I'll post some pics when we are back in UK next week. Limassol has been around 33 degrees the past few days, with up to 90% humidity. In Platres, on the same day, 7 miles from the top of Troodos and offering beautiful mountain walks at a bearable temperature, sitting out in the evening it was 23 degrees with no humidity at all, and Limassol not at all visible as it was covered with humid mist; usually we can see the orange lights of Limassol up there. By contrast sitting out in Limassol leaves us all soaked! Yesterday's August 15 public holiday saw traffic jams up to the mountains, and the beaches busy, with both locations witnessing the locals cooking souvla on spits out in the open. Our spot, in Ayios Mamas a mile or so from Trmiklini has returned to its usual Walt Disney sky of stars in the past few days for lovely evening viewing, although we've had heat haze, strong winds and hot temperatures in plenty of measure - our unheated swimming pool has never been so jacuzzi-like and a five minute jaunt to pick some almonds off the tree leaves us red faced and desperate for a cool dip! The heat has also brought out some vigorous summer bacteria, with my 10-year-old son one of many caught out in this mini-epidemic - in his case causing an ear infection that has stopped his beloved snorkelling. But after a week's break, we managed to see some lovely fish today at Cape Greko and finished with a dip in slightly mucky Ayia Napa water.
Holiday almost over now, but will post some pics on here, for me to rememember a very unusual set of summer weather by all accounts!
Kind regards
RS
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I decided to make this thread following a record-breaking heatwave in Cyprus.
On Sunday (2nd August) temperatures reached to 46C in the Capital Nicosia. The lack of wind has also lead to high humidity levels, with nearly 100% humidity reached in Larnaca also. This has led to low cloud and mist being formed too. Temperatures are now returning back to average albeit still hot.
Generally though temperatures do differ by fair amounts in Cyprus. With no doubt Nicosia has the highest average maxima due to its location, the other three are coastal cities. Here are the average summer maxes for selected cities in Cyprus.
June July August
Paphos 28C 29C 30C
Larnaca 31C 32C 32C
Limassol 29C 31C 31C
Nicosia 33C 36C 36C
Data from: http://www.cyprus-we...-temperatures-c
Summers are always hot and dry, with generally no rainfall being recorded. Rainfall is recorded mainly in the winter months:
(Average rainfall days per year)
Paphos: 47 days Dry season: June - August
Larnaca: 42 days Dry season: June- September
Limassol: 40 days Dry season: June- September
Nicosia: 20 days Dry season: June-September
Snow occurs on the Trodos mountains during the winter months also. With the highest peak being around 1,800m ASL.
Finally, here are the average winter daytime maximas:
December January February
Paphos 19C 17C 17C
Larnaca 18C 17C 17C
Limassol: 18C 17C 17C
Nicosia: 17C 14C 16C
Will post some more climate information about Cyprus when I return from my holiday there in around 2 weeks time
.The heatwave finally seems to be coming to an end, with 32 degrees in Limassol this evening. Last night was an incredible sight between 10 and 11pm at our location half way between Limassol and the top of Troodos. A complete blanket of what I believe was humid cloud covered the valleys, with visibility of only a few meters by 11. I don't remember seeing this before. In the meantime, Limassol has been bathed in milky cloud for the past two days, with a rough sea today and quite windy; kept us on our toes snorkelling. Similarly up at Latchi near Polis the haze hung around for two days making panoramic views take on more of a San Francisco bridge feel, and again the water was rougher than we are used to stirring up no end of litter to navigate while snorkelling with the beautiful marine life up there. 85% humidity yesterday in Limassol, and temperatures across the island reaching the high 30s. Everyone will breathe a sigh of relief when this moves on.
Best wishes
R
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hi
The chart below shows the weather situation, more or less classic for the Med with a low south of the Alps pulling a Strong northerly type flow down its western side. They can and do occur in summer although they are more typical in winter with polar air more available. Northerly winds around Greece are another feature for both the Aegean and Adriatic.
hope that helps
Hello
I just had a look at your chart to see if I could find the source of the heatwave currently over Cyprus. The temperatures are forecast to continue way above normal until Thursday by the local news, with lots of coverage of locals running to the mountains or the coast for cool, to no avail. We are spending our usual summer month here, and for many in the family it is the hottest heatwave in their memory, with a hot wind even at 11 at night. Some lovely snorkelling on offer though!
As a total amateur I can't work out the source of the heat, so any guidance welcome - husband expects knowledgeable answers from me!Best wishes
R
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Nice snow flakes faling over the last couple hours here in west sussex. real big proper ones too
seem to be dying away now though.
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OMG some utter nonsense in the model thread right now.
Really love reading some posters thoughts in there, but keep seeing newer members come in and constantly arguee with them.
obvouisly some posters write as if the glass is haf full and some write as if its half empty.
personally i would rather like to hear the positives of particular runs then the constant negitives.
i like to look and talk about F.I charts, although i know they are very unlikly to come off. I know not to think they WILL happen and dont get upset when they dont.
some years there was no real cold spell in winter and looking at F.I charts to see cold was all there was!
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I agree. I love reading the model thread, and especially the really experienced posters in there who know their stuff and usually take a very balanced view, including North Sea Snow Convection (Tamara) who it is nice to see posting on here now that she is not so present in the model thread. I get genuinely upset at those posters who feel the need to stir things up all the time, and don't envy the moderators their job at all giving their time freely when people do not seem to take on their responsibilities for maintaining the high standard that characterises so many of the posters on their. Glad you did the rant, as I am often tempted to ask some posters to please calm down - you did expressed my feelings very well:)
On the weather front, snowing in Uxbridge on and off most of the day, driving around the M25 through Surrey many snow showers from tiny to decent sized flakes, and now back in Surbiton some reasonable snow showers, although they have stopped for now. Let's hope there are some surprises in store over the next few days!
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I have to say, much as I dislike the consequences, the stuck in the middle nothingness looks favourite to me at the moment - sadly.
I am really sorry to post this silly question, but I'm coming out of lurking to ask what is the 'middle' solution likely to mean in terms of the weather? It has turned up in posts over the past few days as the atlantic versus the east debate continues, and I wondered if it means weather from continental Europe being drawn in our direction? Is this cold given the continent? Or wetter atlanic type stuff. Or the two taking it in turns? Or is it just cloudy fairly average temperature kind of weather if this solution prevails? Again, apologies if this is not a proper question for this thread.
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Tuesday and Wednesda
What about the milder air or (breakdown) whatever it's to be called?If you look on the general model output discussion thread, you will see that is looking less likely and marginal since the most recent set of runs.
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I think he got put off because when he got excited about the snow for tonight and tomorrow when it showed up about 7 days ago was told that it was FI (and therefore shouldn't be talking about it) - it is very irritating when people constantly say that. As it transpired the forecast was pretty accurate in terms of the overall pattern (it was even talked about on the Country File forecast). It has arrived about 24 hours later and is not intense as it might have been.
The possibilities for a reload in far FI are well shown by the splitting and disrupted PV in the GFS 12Z. Most of the PV is pushed into Siberia aided by a lot of WAA through the centre of the US (rather unusually as it normally moves up the West coast - I do not know how realistic that is).
At the end of the run the PV is split into 3 with part of it possibly heading our way.
Steve Murr has been a voice of authority on the London and SE thread, especially during the current 'nowcasting' set ups, much appreciated by all.
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Okay just spoke to Paul on the phone and he is happy for me too start a new thread for you guys in "No Mans Land"
So sensible suggestions in the next 4 pages or Pm me in the next 20 Minutes
I reckon
Bucks, Beds, Cambs, Herts, Peterborough, Norfolk within there own thread ??
Paul S
This thread seems to have very few south and south west London and south/south west OF London posters; not sure why or if there is a split that might help?
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You know you SE-ers really take the biscuit. Central EA and Norfolk have been waiting for 4 long days for any slight precipitation and my location for example still has only 2 cm (1") and half of that fell on New Year's Eve over a week ago.
I used to live on the Surrey/Hampshire/West Sussex borders where this picture was taken on Tuesday by a friend of mine. And yet you want more snow and accuse other people of being IMBY??? Jeeez
I think it's just that the 'south east' seems to have a lot of variation in weather particularly during extreme weather situations. South and south west of London has had far less extreme weather than 'south west counties' of London. So while Haslemere posts pics of high snowdrifts, Kingston upon Thames will only get a few centimetres. Take those variations across such a small geographical area across the whole of the south east, and it is clear why posters divided by even a few miles, let alone a few hundred miles feel sometimes hard-done-by in the 'snowmageddon' predictions and assumptions.
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I may have several things to have a moan about during this cold spell, several that involve schools and car drivers, but one thing really irritates me and that's the use of the word blizzard to describe any moderate to heavy snow fall. Anyone whose ever been out in a blizzard can tell you that its not the same as just heavy snowfall, I must have heard it used several times today on news reports. We may have had some fantastic falls, but there have been no blizzards, there I better for that.
I agree. I remember the blizzard in the west country of the late-70s when I was in my early teens - now THAT was a blizzard; I remember watching from the window (probably where the obsession comes from) and getting annoyed that the snow couldn't possibly settle it was blowing around so wildly. Woke up to 6+ foot snowdrifts against the hedgerows on the Mendips the next morning.
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I'm really impressed with the amount of snow in Surbiton for the past hour and a half, good sized flakes falling fast at times, so that all of the snow cleared by snowballers off my car bonnet this morning has now been completely refilled, and even the garden so deftly desnowed by my snowman-building son this morning now looks snowy again. Perhaps I should have paid more attention to Nick F's update at 10.30 this morning: "another area of snow is affecting areas N and NE of London, particularly Essex and Herts this morning bringing some moderate falls and accumulations, and this is likely to merge with another band of snow across E Midlands and Nern half of East Anglia tied in with an occlusion dropping S and SW from the N Sea, to bring perhaps a snowy afternoon lasting well into the evening across SE England". Long may it continue....
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Is anybody else having trouble opening the links posted on here this afternoon??
Yes, wetterzentrale, and now I can't refresh Will it Rain.
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message for Paul.S
Was report's of a Small tornado somewhere,
sorry that's all I know at present.
This might be old new's now
you might already knowBBC news at lunchtime reported 'sea spouts' in Scotland - is this what you mean? I think they were very high...
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Hi all - just to report we only have 3-5cm in Raynes Park, SW London. It's a case of so close...yet so far.
It's been snowing (lightly) all day - not really adding to the snow cover but at least preveting a thaw.
Looking forward to that band just to the north of London
Congrats to all folks who got 15cm+!
Raynes Park, SW20
Yes, pretty much the same a few miles down the road in Surbiton - non-stop small flakes for 3 hours now, but not settling much still; as you say at least it's holding off the thaw. Keep hoping that stuff to the north-east might make it this way to prolong things.
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hi im in Twickinham just down the road from you, it dose not look like we will the heavy stuff. not good. but i know what you are saying just 10miles away 30cm
Surbiton has had mostly small flakes falling steadily for around one hour now, but it's not really settling. Off for a walk out in it for 10 year old son who is besides himself with excitement and has torn up the garden with snowball fights and a mini snowman - be nice if the small flakes (getting larger as I type) could cover up a bit of the destruction, but I'm not optimistic.
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Just started snowing in Surbiton, finally
FINALLY, just ran to the window following your post and the one from Hampton Court - as my son just said 'the window can't lie'!
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WOOOHOOO, FINALLY it is starting to get heavier here
(nr Sunbury, south of heathrow) let's just hope it stays like this and I could get a decent covering.. btw is it ecpected to get heavier?Still waiting in Surbiton just a few miles east of you....
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i just see the reply you got i would also like to add you will have to travel on the M1 and thats going thro the worst spot ,i think college can wait a few day maybe if you tell them
The uni I work at in the north home counties is monitoring the situation with the weather given the amount of students and staff that travel in from distances, and may only have a skeleton staff tomorrow if the snow forecasts come off. So yes, college probably will wait for a few days.
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Did anyone else get any very light icy snow this morning? There were no visible clouds. Was a bit like diamond dust January 1987 et al.
Here in Surbiton, the cars were covered in thick frost this morning, but with I would estimate random 5mm blobs distributed over them also, and I wondered if it could have been the briefest of flurries overnight.
BTW, still waiting for decent snowfall in this part of SW London - so far it has fallen for a couple of hours yet come to very little, or fallen for 20 minutes then vanished.... third time lucky? I have a ten year-old who is becoming as obsessed with lamp post watching as me:)
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I think overall that there are just starting to show tentatively better signs of the Gulf Stream shutting down the trough to the west backing off just a little, allowing pressure to rise a little over western europe as well as pushing down from the arctic (which is the most important thing).
It is quite conceivable that an initial euro high type situation could become a much colder one as any ridge is absorbed from the north, much as the winter in 1947 began. Of course I am saying it is going to happen, I am not saying it is going to happen but this looks to me like the best opportunity so far for a change in the weather for a winter long freeze the better.
I'm a fully paid up lurker, never post, but love following your discussions on here and have learnt a lot after a year of so of reading what you all say (although A LOT of it is hard to follow without a lot of thinking and reading). I love this post from Tamara: Let's hope the stuff under the lines comes true
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Pouring with rain and much of the thick snow washed away in Surbiton at 8am, slush on the M25 around Heathrow at 8.30am, and one inch of lying albeit wet and driveable snow in the car parks at school and work in Uxbridge at 8.45am. What a difference 30 miles and 45 minutes make! :lol:
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As a total amateur I can't work out the source of the heat, so any guidance welcome - husband expects knowledgeable answers from me!
What about the milder air or (breakdown) whatever it's to be called?
you might already know
(nr Sunbury, south of heathrow) let's just hope it stays like this and I could get a decent covering.. btw is it ecpected to get heavier?
More below the line stuff please....
Cyprus Climate
in Weather Around The World
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Quick update as we leav e Cyprus. The heatwave returned yesterday with 39 degrees in Limassol at 4pm, and 37 at our location in Ayios Mamas. Platres last night held onto its usual 25 degrees, with 27 at ours 6 miles down the road. Today on the radio, locals were complaining that no one is telling them when this heatwave will end!
Kind regards
RS