Northern England - Cold Spell Discussion Part 3

[mandi35]

but if u look on some callendars it tells u what date spring summer autumn and winter start and finsih

[I remember Atlantic 252]

its always known to first day of winter has always been 21st dec or after this year its 22nd december even i asked a weather presenter on twitter to settle an argument on when the first day of winter offically starts and he says its 21st december but as the seasons weathers are so messed up daffodils are out and still have wasps here

untrue, winter starts 1st Dec, possibly should be an earlier start date for scotland, I know Irelands 1st day of winter is 01 Nov

[NickR]

Astronomical.

Fine. But we're not astronomers. As TWS said a while ago - there is no "official" start of winter, and there never has been one. The most common CONVENTIONS are the two mentioned already- the astronomical equinox based definitions (21 December-20 March) and the meteorological definition (1 December-28/29 February).

Given that this is a weather site, and that nearly all weather-related statistics use 1 Dec, why on earth would we use the astronomical dates?

[Backtrack]

Fine. But we're not astronomers. As TWS said a while ago - there is no "official" start of winter, and there never has been one. The most common CONVENTIONS are the two mentioned already- the astronomical equinox based definitions (21 December-20 March) and the meteorological definition (1 December-28/29 February).

Given that this is a weather site, and that nearly all weather-related statistics use 1 Dec, why on earth would we use the astronomical dates?

I don't. I use the meteorological start of 1st December.

I was simply just giving you the word you were looking for

[mandi35]

i agree peter they do get it wrong alot of the time thats how i look at it first day of winter is 21st december and this year its 22nd im not sure on the meteorological side as i dont study weather,

[NickR]

:good:cheers BT. Edited December 7, 2011 by NickR

[itsnowjoke]

well the wind has calmed down a lot here now, odd really as we are meant to be having gale force winds, quite bad on the motorway today on the way to primark ( yes im not posh, i go primark not harrods LOL) also lastnight a whole lotta hail and thunder wow wat a mad night.

Edited December 7, 2011 by itsnowjoke

[Stratocumulus perlucidus]

There discussion over this thread will now be dormant till we get snow

[Isolated Frost]

There discussion over this thread will now be dormant till we get snow

Urmm... i'd imagine it will be pretty busy tomorrow during the stormy conditions?!

[Stratocumulus perlucidus]

Its wierd that as the winds always calm down at noght here too. Anyone onow why

[itsnowjoke]

There discussion over this thread will now be dormant till we get snow

yes your right everyone is chatting bout nowt (or is that just me? LOL)

[mandi35]

because thats all i have ever been taught to go by the astronomical side of weather but hey ho that can always change i could always use the weather side of it

[Backtrack]

:good:cheers BT.

You're welcome

5.9C here now. Could reach around 3-4C before temperatures start to rise before an absolute rapid cool down on Thursday.

[Stratocumulus perlucidus]

Urmm... i'd imagine it will be pretty busy tomorrow during the stormy conditions?!

Sorry yeah exept tomoz

[Backtrack]

Its wierd that as the winds always calm down at noght here too. Anyone onow why

Because the storm isn't due to hit until around 7am.

[itsnowjoke]

Because the storm isn't due to hit until around 7am.

just in time for the school run for me great better hold on to my hat

[mandi35]

dunno peter i have always wondered that myself for years but the motorways wont be in open spaces no doubt thelwall viaduct be shut to high sided vehicles very soon

[itsnowjoke]

my daughter has just wandered in and she said its really calm outside, the calm before the storm......or so they say

[Backtrack]

just in time for the school run for me great better hold on to my hat

Wow yeah most certainly!

The storm has just formed out in the Atlantic, and is heading towards us, deepening as it does so

[mandi35]

yeah batten down the hatches as they say its been windy here all day and last night too

[itsnowjoke]

do u reckon barton bridge will be shut as i av a friend whos going there tomoz.

[Backtrack]

do u reckon barton bridge will be shut as i av a friend whos going there tomoz.

No idea where or what that is. :lol:

[johnwirral]

It's not calm here still blowing 35 mph, although that's down from 60+ today. http://cobs.pol.ac.uk/cobs/met/hilbre/

Can't see much snow coming out of this event, but you never know...

[itsnowjoke]

No idea where or what that is. :lol:

manchester way ,over manchester ship canal or so she says im not sure myself

[Alex95]

do u reckon barton bridge will be shut as i av a friend whos going there tomoz.

The one on the M60? No idea, but if it normally gets closed for severe gales, then yes as tomorrow will be about as bad as it gets. However, there are plenty of alternative routes around it by the looks of it.