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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.

    I certainly remember when Planet X was shown on TV back in 1983...

    Finally?  Planet 9 back in the news?  Mysterious small and cold object glimpsed 20 BILLION miles from Earth in 1983 may have been elusive Planet Nine, scientists claim November 16, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10208555/Mysterious-small-cold-object-Planet-Nine-study-claims.html?ito=email_share_article-top 

    Michael Rowan-Robinson from Imperial College London turned to the archives in the hope of finding a 'blip' in old data that could point to Planet Nine's existence.  Mysterious New Planet Possibly Spotted in Solar System November 18, 2021

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    An object lurking in the outer region of our solar system may well be the elusive Planet 9, a leading British astronomer has suggested after digging through the telescope archives of 250,000 point sources.

    Possible evidence of a mysterious planet up to 10 times bigger than Earth, with a distant orbit around the Sun, has been unveiled by professor of astrophysics at Imperial College of London. A debate on the possible existence of an undiscovered planet in our solar system has been ongoing for decades. With no concrete evidence found, there has been speculation about its presence, mainly based on the gravitational clustering of objects in the system's outer reaches. Several years ago, a suggestion was put forward that a group of icy objects that lie beyond the orbit of Neptune in the Kuiper Belt are possibly under the gravitational influence of a larger mysterious body, possibly Planet 9. The claim was based not on observation, but on modeling. Permanent Lockdown of UK by Neil M Ferguson (Imperial College London Memorandum Screenshot) June 14, 2021

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    2021 JUNE 14 (MASSIVE LEAK) NEXT STEPS – PERMANENT LOCKDOWN OF UK BY NEIL M FERGUSON (IMPERIAL COLLEGE LONDON MEMORANDUM SCREENSHOT) Remarks: Leaked Today a Screenshot of a...

    The author allegedly Neil M Ferguson reminds the recipients of this Memorandum that is was crucial to remain on track and for all of them to remember our common purpose behind this. For the population being subjected to this alleged rouse a Serious Question must be answered - what is the common purpose?

    Why then is the Imperial College in the UK now trying to revive Planet 9? Out in the direction of the Constellation Orion, with a mass greater than Earth, Planet 9 is just another name for Planet X. The Imperial College has also been in the news recently, in a leaked memo in June, 2021 describing a plan the UK elite had to reduce the population in the UK. Denials all around.  But there is no denial greater than reversing the impression the public got by supporting the truth about Planet X, which is what they are now doing. Will this change anything and allow the truth to emerge? No.

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  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Hoar Frost, Snow, Misty Autumn mornings
  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL

    Well there are 3 different things here, which have somehow become connected in your head.

    1. Planet X (or Nibiru) was a bonkers conspiracy theory about a planet that would sweep through the solar system in the early 21st Century causing a pole shift and the destruction of life as we know it. Originally, it was meant to happen in 2003, then 2012, then...

    2. Planet 9 is a mooted Neptune-sized body way (waaaay) out in the outer solar system. It was proposed in a paper in 2015, but has yet to be detected and there is some scepticism over its existence. See here:

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    In the search for the hypothetical Planet Nine, scientists may have uncovered another explanation for the patterns in the orbits of Kuiper Belt objects.

     

    3. Neil Ferguson. What this has to do with any of the above is beyond me? It's absolute nonsense anyway (of course).

    As a general note, I'll leave a quote from Carl Sagan which you might ponder.

    "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

     

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  • Location: Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
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  • Location: Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)

    here is the point...if we have the ability to detect planets around distant stars.. why cant we find a Neptune sized planet in our solar system??..its not like its a set of car keys

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  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Hoar Frost, Snow, Misty Autumn mornings
  • Location: Near King's Lynn 13.68m ASL
    1 minute ago, cheeky_monkey said:

    here is the point...if we have the ability to detect planets around distant stars.. why cant we find a Neptune sized planet in our solar system??..its not like its a set of car keys

    Because you detect planets around other stars by tiny variations in the brightness of the light being emitted by the star. The frequency and magnitude allow you estimate the orbit and mass (I'm over simplifying here). In the Kuiper belt there is nothing emitting any light in any portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

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  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
  • Location: Powys Mid Wales borders.
    On 26/11/2021 at 09:08, Yarmy said:

    Well there are 3 different things here, which have somehow become connected in your head.

    1. Planet X (or Nibiru) was a bonkers conspiracy theory about a planet that would sweep through the solar system in the early 21st Century causing a pole shift and the destruction of life as we know it. Originally, it was meant to happen in 2003, then 2012, then...

    2. Planet 9 is a mooted Neptune-sized body way (waaaay) out in the outer solar system. It was proposed in a paper in 2015, but has yet to be detected and there is some scepticism over its existence. See here:

    file-20200415-153302-1fpfbot.jpg?ixlib=r
    THECONVERSATION.COM

    In the search for the hypothetical Planet Nine, scientists may have uncovered another explanation for the patterns in the orbits of Kuiper Belt objects.

     

    3. Neil Ferguson. What this has to do with any of the above is beyond me? It's absolute nonsense anyway (of course).

    As a general note, I'll leave a quote from Carl Sagan which you might ponder.

    "For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

     

    You must be a millennial

    New York Times
    June 19, 1982

    A pair of American spacecraft may help scientists detect what could be a 10th planet or a giant object billions of miles away, the national Aeronautics and Space Administration said Thursday. Scientists at the space agency's Ames Research Center said the two spacecraft, Pioneer 10 and 11, which are already farther into space than any other man-made object, might add to knowledge of a mysterious object believed to be beyond the solar system's outermost known planets. The space agency said that persistent irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune "suggest some kind of mystery object is really there" with its distance depending on what it is. If the mystery object is a new planet, it may lie five billion miles beyond the outer orbital ring of known planets, the space agency said. If it is a dark star type of objet, it may be 50 billion miles beyond the known planets; if it is a black hole, 100 billion miles. A black hole is a hypothetical body in space, believed to be a collapsed star so condensed that neither light nor matter can escape from its gravitational field.

    Newsweek
    Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion?
    June 28 1982

    When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn't following its predicted orbit for example, they didn't question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away. ... Other scientists suggest that the most likely cause of the orbital snags is a tenth planet 4 to 7 billion miles beyond Neptune. A companion star would tug the outer planets, not just Uranus and Neptune, says Thomas Van Flandern of the U.S Naval Observatory. And where he admits a tenth planet is possible, but argues that it would have to be so big - a least the size of Uranus - that it should have been discovered by now. To resolve the question, NASA is staying tuned to Pioneer 10 and 11, the planetary probes that are flying through the dim reaches of the solar system on opposite sides of the sun.

    Astronomy
    Searching for a 10th Planet
    Oct 1982

    The hunt for new worlds hasn't ended. Both Uranus and Neptune follow irregular paths that observers can explain only by assuming the presence of an unknown body whose gravity tugs at the two planets. Astronomers originally though Pluto might be the body perturbing its neighbors, but the combined mass of Pluto and its moon, Charon, is too small for such a role. ... While astronomers believe that something is out there, they aren't sure what it is. Three possibilities stand out: First, the object could be a planet - but any world large and close enough to affect the orbits of Uranus and Neptune should already have been spotted. Searchers might have missed the planet, though, if it's unusually dark or has an odd orbit. ...

    NASA has been recording velocities for a year now and will continue for as long as necessary. This past spring, it appeared that budget cuts might force the end of the Pioneer project. The space agency now believes that it will have the money to continue mission operations. Next year, the JPL group will begin analyzing the data. By the time the Pioneer experiment shows results, an Earth-orbiting infrared telescope may have discovered the body. ... Together, IRAS and the Pioneers will allow astronomers to mount a comprehensive search for new solar system members. The two deep space probes should detect bodies near enough to disturb their trajectories and the orbits or Uranus and Neptune. IRAS should detect any large body in or near the solar system. Within the next year or two, astronomers may discover not one new world, but several.

    New York Times
    January 30, 1983

    Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long- sought Planet X. ... The last time a serious search of the skies was made it led to the discovery in 1930 of Pluto, the ninth planet. But the story begins more than a century before that, after the discovery of Uranus in 1781 by the English astronomer and musician William Herschel. Until then, the planetary system seemed to end with Saturn.

    As astronomers observed Uranus, noting irregularities in its orbital path, many speculated that they were witnessing the gravitational pull of an unknown planet. So began the first planetary search based on astronomers predictions, which ended in the 1840's with the discovery of Neptune almost simultaneously by English, French, and German astronomers. But Neptune was not massive enough to account entirely for the orbital behavior of Uranus. Indeed, Neptune itself seemed to be affected by a still more remote planet. In the last 19th century, two American astronomers, Willian H. Pickering and Percival Lowell, predicted the size and approximate location of the trans-Neptunian body, which Lowell called Planet X. Years later, Pluto was detected by Clyde W. Tombaugh working at Lowell Observatory in Arizona. Several astronomers, however, suspected it might not be the Planet X of prediction. Subsequent observation proved them right. Pluto was too small to change the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, the combined mass of Pluto and its recently discovered satellite, Charon, is only 1/5 that of Earth's moon.

    Recent calculations by the United States Naval Observatory have confirmed the orbital perturbation exhibited by Uranus and Neptune, which Dr. Thomas C Van Flandern, an astronomer at the observatory, says could be explained by "a single undiscovered planet". He and a colleague, Dr. Richard Harrington, calculate that the 10th planet should be two to five times more massive than Earth and have a highly elliptical orbit that takes it some 5 billion miles beyond that of Pluto - hardly next-door but still within the gravitational influence of the Sun. ...

    US News World Report
    Planet X - Is It Really Out There?
    Sept 10, 1984

    Shrouded from the sun's light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be Planet X - a 10th resident of the Earth's celestial neighborhood. Last year, the infrared astronomical satellite (IRAS), circling in a polar orbit 560 miles from the Earth, detected heat from an object about 50 billion miles away that is now the subject of intense speculation. "All I can say is that we don't know what it is yet," says Gerry Neugesbeuer, director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology. Scientists are hopeful that the one-way journeys of the Pioneer 10 and 11 space probes may help to locate the nameless body.

     

    Of course now pluto isn`t counted as a planet either...Its planet 9 then...

    Theres way too many coincidences.

    Cover ups more like.

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  • Location: Skirlaugh, East Yorkshire
  • Location: Skirlaugh, East Yorkshire

    This is the space, science and nature section. Not the tin-foil hat section.

    This is getting closed now. If you want to discuss a topic without the above nonsense then be my guest.

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