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The flakes are absolutely tiny... it's the same 8 flakes just swirling around! You can't call that proper snow!
Was waiting for a reply along the lines of "Back in my day when I were a lad ..................
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It is snowing on the Derbys/Notts border, but the snow is poor quality
WHAT
Well done thats gotta be post of the day for the " poor quality snow" bit -
Jeez ive just looked at a load of psat comments in here and i thought the world had ended! We have snow while the radar shows nothing. I dont think there has been much of a thaw here. Things should start falling into place soon so enjoy if you have it!
Thank god for the voice of reason
It gets boring trawling through loads of negative comments. Give it time -
People try reading the first page of this thread for a better understanding of how this situation should evolve today before getting downbeat
Nick have a look out mate -
Yes, orographic lift is a phrase used when the airflow meets much higher ground and is forced upward. When weather fronts move over high ground, the precipitation is more concentrated and heavier as the air is forced to rise considerably, creating much more precip than at lower levels. This is why when precip amounts are forecast, you'll get an estimation for lower levels and one for higher levels.
Hope this helps.
Thankyou W09 for that description muchly apprecited mate.
Wheres all the usual suspects and the "will it snow in ......." brigade tonight ????this is why i'd leave it at least another 2 weeks of freezing weather, my mother's ex boyfriend's son died under the ice so I know the risk.
The canal where i live is 4 feet deep and there are already footprints along the middle of it where some idiot has walked, skating is adifferent matter and needs much thicker ice.
My grandmother said in 1947 she skated the 8 miles from nuneaton to coventry and back along the cut, I've always wanted to do that
Another thing to remember is that it would be better to stick close to the nearside towpath bank if you do decide to do it. Firstly if you go through your easier to get to and secondly around trees on the far bank the water temperature can be higher and the ice may be thinner. With fishing in the colder weather the fish generally go where it is warmer ie deep water or under trees and foliage the two places you dont wanna end up!!!!!!!
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I was thinking, and DO NOT take this lightly... if this cold spell continues for another 2 weeks and the temps stay at or below zero, dipping much lower at night, the canlas may have deep enough ice to skate on, I'd measure it of course and have ropes and a life jacket, but it was done in the past and it's always been an ambition of mine.
The canadian sites say that ice is safe to skate on at four inches deep and safe to walk on at 3, so maybe a long dormant tradition could come back to life?
the Dutch are already excited about their Elfstedentocht , if it were not for the health and saftey brigade I'm sure there would be something similar here?
this is not an advocation to do anything yet, i'm saying that in another 2 weeks, if the weather stays the same, it will be a real choice?
what do you guys think?
Well my two penneth worth, another hobby of mine is fishing and I went for a bike ride around the back of Chasewater yesterday and there was about 5 kids all running and trying to bike down the canal
When I stopped and told them to be careful the reply I got was "Its alright mate look" and three of them proceeded to bounce up and down like loons. Normally when ice is not very thick you can hear that cracking sound that makes you freeze, but nothing!! I put my bike down and scraped the snow back to check the depth and it was a good 4 to 6 inches. If you do decide to do it then make sure there is someone there with you with a rope and a big lump hammer and dont be fooled into thinking a life jacket will save you as if you go under and go out under the ice your in trouble (hence the mate with the rope and hammer) Be careful mate!!!!! Ps if Nick 2702 is on here there are footprints in the snow straight across The Swag pool Must be them Norton East Road delinquents. -
It`s late and I`ve spent the day radar watching instead of serving customers, brain is addled, thanks for the lamens terms
If you use just rainfall radar's then you do so at your peril!! I think sometimes that is why some people on here get so downbeat at times because they can be so misleading. I have had light snow today fro about 6pm to about 11pm and the radar showed diddly. Another good tool to use I,ve found ECHO is the SAT24 website which gives you a sattelite image of the clouds and gives you a better understanding of whats moving where. I'm not sure if netweather supply one but I,m sure someone will point you in the right direction if they do. Quick question for weather 09..... when the snow is heavier at altitude is this called orographic lifting ???? I,ve heard the phrase in before and think it does but not sure????? cheers mate.
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But does it develop from that trough or come from nowhere?? If it comes from the trough please explain how... if it comes from nowhere, how do you know its coming??
Not being downbeat just trying to learn!!
Hi ECHO i'm still learning myself but I'll have a pop at explaining it mate. The weather we are going to get is not from a trough but it is being generated by the front entering the country overnight and as it is a warm front it will be bringing moist air and the moist air will ride over the top of the cold air that is sitting here at the moment thus generating the snow. Hope that helps mate.
More to the fact I hope I'm right lol. edit................weater 09 you beat me lol.
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It looks like it's all over at last and the thaw is coming this week according to the model watchers.
Meto got the forecast completely wrong for my area.
Weather warnings have all downgraded.
Slow thaw wednesday onwards.
Snow...what snow.. HA!
The weather warnings on the met are all the same for this region!!!!!!! What warnings you refering to????
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FROM THE OLD THREAD BY WEATHER 09 TAKE NOTE.............
Exactly as Ian says, it's a developing situation. The upper warm front has barely made it on to our shores last time I checked, but I suspect it's somewhere over the far south east. As this moves north across the country, the precip will gradually build. So by around midday somewhere across the Midlands should be experiencing some snow. As we progress into the evening the snow should intensify somewhat over the Midlands, moreso towards the north and west of the Midlands.
Relax and unwind...snow is on its way...........
This post sums up the situation perfectly, patience people you cant see something that has'nt developed yet!! We should all be posting this time tomorrow and be comparing snow depths
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i have a feeling this is going to be non-event... nothin coming from the east hmmm
Patience Grasshopper
Its coming give it time.Perhaps it's best left as snowman, because women can be ever-so funny about their "shape".
Fun to build though unless your neighbours catch you spending to much time and effort on certain parts
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Especially if that gospel includes the phrase "It's snowman time"
Surprises me that the pc brigade hav'nt jumped on this bandwagon and deemed the term snowman as sexist and only the phrase snowperson can be used lol. But I suppose with the lack of snow since the pc brigade came to light that they will cotton onto this soon and eradicate the phrase from our language
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I can understand the temptation to ramp it. It must be so much fun to crank up your own warnings and descriptions.
lol definately mate especially if you,ve got a few thousand hits every day on your web page and people take what you say as gospel
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I don't know who runs that site, but it is plagued by hyperbole.
A chap who posts over on TWO runs that site mate. Thermohaline conveyor or something like that. He definately knows his stuff but I'd agree with the hyperbole stuff. A lot of the the weather warnings are a little over the top but from reading his posts he is well educated in the weather department. Thinking about it if you start a predictive weather site and you have a better success rate than some of the others then I suppose you could charge for forecasts like that piers geezer who everyone slates so maybe hes chancing his arm on that
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i wldnt put a downer on things yet if the charts were showing this on tuesday i would agree but and a massive but i wldnt be surprised one tiny bit if tommorow we are in the firing line again its all change with nearly every run!
I,m not putting a downer on things mate quite the opposite actually
I think the way the models are flipping recently then Monday night would be a realistsic time to call it accurately. -
That's the 'so called' 1st Atlantic Fail, and as current it probably won't smash straight into the mids.
But there's always hope...
But whoever does cop if it makes landfall will be in for a treat
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Check the precip out to the west on this chart
Reckon it will make it to us ??????? -
I hope you're right. Though I suspect in reality, tomorrow into Monday's snowfall will struggle to give any decent accumulations. But, we'll just have to wait and see.
When it looked bleak a few days back I mentioned that it would upgrade and it has. I expect that it will upgrade again tomorrow. There is a possible window of 24 hours+ for snowfall and the fact that the snow will have no problem settling I expect / hope
that it will be a good event for us. There is plenty of precip around and on a stiff easterly it should accumulate quickly and this thread should be flying tomorrow how many pages you reckon?? upto 45?????? -
Latest NAE
coupled with the bbc weather just on, that the snow seems to intensify as it heads west! I personally think that 3" + should be easily attainable tomorrow and towards the evening it looks like turning moderate to heavy for some. Definite travel problems for Monday morning and Rob Mc made a reference to it not being a work day
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bbc and sky news reporting that the military are on stand by to help with the snow situation
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Light bits of snow blowing around in the wind here aswell
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That charts ties in with the 15zNMM...Good for the west midlands, but increasingly marginal for the east midlands and points further SE....I'm trying to work out why this may be....milder uppers triggering rain/freezing rain, or warmer air due to North Sea SST's raising dew-points in the east of our region?
Looking at this http://cache.netweather.tv/fax/PPVE89.png fax chart for tomorrow it shows a upper warm front moving across the country so I guess this is where some of the marginality for snow/rain is coming from. I think that surface/lower level cold will prevail though and I really would be very surprised to hear of any reports of rain from our region.
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That charts ties in with the 15zNMM...Good for the west midlands, but increasingly marginal for the east midlands and points further SE....I'm trying to work out why this may be....milder uppers triggering rain/freezing rain, or warmer air due to North Sea SST's raising dew-points in the east of our region?
Possibly a warmer sector of air progged to move in ?? Due to surface temps I cant see anything falling as rain (bar the coasts) Could it be due to the fact that the 528 dam line is sitting off the west coast and not really covering the country ???? FWIW I think that we will do quite well out of this set up and as I posted last night that I thought that things would upgrade for us and downgrade for others as this happened earlier in the week. I'm still learning to read the charts at the moment myself but it gets a bit annoying at times when people on here get all cut up due to one set of charts not showing what they want. and one thing (if not the most important thing I,ve learned) is not to take each run as gospel as so much can, and usually does, change within hours of the progged events
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This chart should keep the Telford and Shrewsbury massive happy
Looks increasingly better for the Midlands tomorrow into Monday?? I think a few places should see a good few inches to top up dwindling reserves
Well done thats gotta be post of the day for the " poor quality snow" bit 
It gets boring trawling through loads of negative comments. Give it time 
Nick have a look out mate
When I stopped and told them to be careful the reply I got was "Its alright mate look" and three of them proceeded to bounce up and down like loons. Normally when ice is not very thick you can hear that cracking sound that makes you freeze, but nothing!! I put my bike down and scraped the snow back to check the depth and it was a good 4 to 6 inches. If you do decide to do it then make sure there is someone there with you with a rope and a big lump hammer and dont be fooled into thinking a life jacket will save you as if you go under and go out under the ice your in trouble (hence the mate with the rope and hammer) Be careful mate!!!!!
Ps if Nick 2702 is on here there are footprints in the snow straight across The Swag pool
lol
I think the way the models are flipping recently then Monday night would be a realistsic time to call it accurately.
that it will be a good event for us. There is plenty of precip around and on a stiff easterly it should accumulate quickly and this thread should be flying tomorrow
Midlands Cold Spell Discussion
in Spring Weather Discussion
Posted · Edited by jukebox
Could it be that any precip that pushes through the eastern mids will be marginal for snow and later on as dp and temp drop it will beef up and produce heavier snow for the rest ??? Dp and temp should now start dropping as the easterly winds increase.
EDIT... Snow now sticking to cars and on top of lieing snow