Well then I've got no chance here in Washington, might aswell just put the gloves back in the draw. The thing that has amazed me is the thawing difference, I used to live near my school(yes under eighteens use these forums, albiet not many) and kept the same school when i moved. Here the snow has gone and there's a few patches of ice in the garden but school is still laced with ice and freezing snow. Nit much has fallen but the thaws not as quick. Is this due to the temp difference or because the system was an easterly meaning the near coast areas get a hairdryer thaw whereas more inland areas get a slower thaw. If it is I'm buying a house in the pennines in ten years time.