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I really don't know. You can get a false impression from forums but from the latest polls I get the impression the tide may be swinging a bit in the States. Over here of course the cost of green policies is quite a potent weapon given how so many are struggling with energy costs. taken in isolation this tends to ignore the underlying malaise. This is that we haven't had a coherent energy policy for thirty years and relied on the dash for gas much of which is imported. So coal fired power stations can't be replaced even if we wanted too as there is no coal industry. There has been no nuclear plan for years and now it's too late. Even renewables have suffered. Investment in tidal power has been virtually non existent and instead we have been building windmills although even here the planned Atlantic Array has collapsed. Result we are left with huge hikes in energy prices and about 4% spare capacity which is far too low. So I think green investment really only plays a small part in this fiasco and this doesn't alter the science. We can safely leave it to successive governments to create the shambles. And I might add Lawson played his part in that.

I was steeped in Rio as well GW.

Montford, who just happens to belong to the GWPF, has written four books and of course his old friend McIntyre is involved. Tamino on one of them. The Montford Delusion http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/07/the-montford-delusion/

Believe it or not that was a set book on my degree course. I managed to get by without reading it.

The latest 10,866,552

7/8 Sc about 4,000ft, calm and temp of 6C.

While ocean acidification is a big problem for marine life and humans, there are things we can all do to slow the rate of change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHG1syCxPLM#t=95

Saturday Space Sight: Pine Island Glacier http://science.dodlive.mil/2013/11/30/saturday-space-sight-pine-island-glacier/

Rob Robbins and Steve Rupp have been diving under the Antarctic sea ice for a combined 60 years. Hang around their dive headquarters at McMurdo Station and you’ll see rows of oxygen tanks, wetsuits, and breathing apparatus; above an old mulberry couch, a map labeled Ross Sea Soundings in Fathom and Feet; a Magic 8 Ball (“we consult it for anything and everything!â€), Maxwell House coffee grounds, and a wall of magnetic poetry (“nuzzle me badâ€). You’ll hear constant jokes like “it’s a fish-eat-fish world†while reading daunting titles on the bookshelves: Proceedings of Repetitive Diving Workshop; Man in the Sea Volumes I & II; Mixed Gas Diving; and the Antarctica Scientific Diving Manual, which includes this advice: “drilling a safety hole allows continued surface access in cases where a Weddell seal appropriates the primary dive hole.†http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/antarctica_marine_science_research_and_artist_program_resume_after_shutdown.html

I don't think it's even cherry picked. "across the Northern hemisphere there"s constant evidence of cooling taking place" is an attempt to be deliberately misleading. It can't be cherry picked because nothing has been picked.

I think the list of authors in "customers who bought this item also bought" quite informative. I know he wrote one book that was well received in certain circles but I'm not aware of the others. Have I missed out on a good read? A quick look at Carter's book. http://www.skepticalscience.com/bob-carters-climate-counter-consensus-alternate-reality.html

I humbly apologise. Here is the info. Assuming we are talking about Himalayan glaciers. https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/ipcc-admits-himalayan-glacier-error

Why not attempt to read articles that attempt to appraise both sides without bias. Difficult I know. I've normally found this site not bad and this article is pretty fair IMO. http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-sea-ice-levels-are-above-long-term-average-as-the-antarctic-posts-another-record.html

Anomalies of Northern Hemisphere annual surface air temperature (MAAT) since 1850 according to Hadley CRUT, a cooperative effort between the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research and the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), UK. The thin line represents the annual values, and the thick line is the simple running 3 year average. The average for 1979-1988 (10 yrs) has been set to zero, to make comparison with other temperature data series (above and below) easy. Last year shown: 2012. Last figure update: 25 January 2013. Long Arctic surface annual air temperature series: Fairbanks (Alaska), Nuuk (Greenland), Akureyri (Iceland), Svalbard (Norway), Ostrov Dikson (Siberia), and Hatanga (Siberia). Annual values were calculated from monthly average temperatures. Almost unavoidably, some missing monthly data were encountered in some of the series. In such cases, the missing values were generated as either 1) the average of the preceding and following monthly values, or 2) the average for the month registered the preceding year and the following year. The thin blue line represents the mean annual air temperature, and the thick blue line is the running 5 year average. Click here to read about data smoothing. Data source: NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) and RimFrost. Last year shown: 2012. Last update 21 April 2013. http://www.climate4you.com/

Arrggh the GWPF Denier Weirdness: Anthony Watts, Tim Ball and Nigel Lawson on The Very Secret Society You know that Anthony Watts has descended into fruit cake land when you read junk like this at WUWT (archived here). A secret meeting occurred between Lord Lawson of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) and members of the British Royal Society. Why the secrecy? It is likely because this collective of specialists is scrambling to recover reputations after being misled. Yep, a secret meeting between the very royal very secret scientific society and the very unroyal even more secretive Global Warming Policy Foundation. What a lot of nutters there are at WUWT. Do they really and truly think that after all the publicity the GWPF gave to the very Laughable Lord Lawson's engineering of a meeting with the Royal Society that it was somehow "secret"? Sheesh! You want to know why they called it "secret"? It was because the members of the Royal Society refused to allow Nigel Lawson to turn the meeting into a media circus. The GWPF milked it for much more than it was worth, as science deniers are prone to do. You know they are on a losing streak when they have to resort to getting conspiracy theorising greenhouse effect denier, Tim Ball and utter nutter Anthony Watts to help them do their dirty work (part of an incomprehensible mish mash of conspiracy theorising gobbledegook by Tim Ball archived here). Here's an excerpt of what Nigel Lawson wrote on the GWPF website, which is kinda sad or weird or maybe funny if you're into black humour (full version archived here): The charge that my critical views about climate change policy are based on inadequate exposure to reputable scientists was always absurd, not least given that the academic advisory council of the GWPF has on it, among others, the world’s most highly regarded physicist, Professor Freeman Dyson of Princeton, arguably the world’s most eminent climate scientist, Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT (who flew over for the meeting), and three Fellows of the Royal Society.

Andrew Dessler tweets. Great paper: those who know nothing about a subject don't know that they don't know. This explains climate skeptics.

I suspect the e-mails were being sent by the literati who can normally be found frequenting the comments section of WUWT.

Subarctic Lakes Drying Up At A Rate Not Seen For 200 Years http://www.science20.com/news_articles/subarctic_lakes_drying_rate_not_seen_200_years-125325

Hardly a fuss when the article said this.

Assuming AGW plays no part perhaps an inspired guess as to what natural cycle(s) are causing the melt, or even, ridiculous suggestion I know, a link to any scientific papers that proffer an explanation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6PKVsOZoI4#t=42

Thanksgiving's Seven Most Memorable Stormshttp://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/thanksgivings-most-memorable-weather-events/20194510

Some stunning photos. Well worth a look. A collection of photographs of disappeared and disappearing glaciers. Bruce Molnia's Repeat Photos of Alaska, and What He Says They Reveal About Our World http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/alaskas-glaciers-capturing-earth-changing-our-eyes-20131125?cm_ven=Email&cm_cat=ENVIRONMENT_us_share

I wasn't of course referring to your good self but the recent article from the GWPF and of course the serial offenders whose names it's completely unnecessary to repeat, and now Keith has joined the ranks. .I'm gratified to see you agree with me and I realise you are a model of propriety regarding this .Streuth I'm such a liar.

http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/76448-scepticism-of-man-made-climate-change/page-42#entry2849147 And just for the record. A quick glance at the link in the quote is worthwhile. What I find rather odd is skeptics are continually making unfounded accusations that AGW proponents link every extreme event with AGW and then cite the very same to disprove it. LOL http://www.climatecentral.org/news/snow-cover-may-help-usher-in-historic-cold-to-northwest-16787