Midlands Ice Age

Thankyou AdernCoch.... Yes I have realised after sending my note that was the case. Does this not mean that one has to be careful when doing historical comparisons and also future projections using the data on the MetOffice official (FRONT PAGE chart) could be misleading/confusing as there are 2 different values being shown? . I am a fairly novice guy at this, but lets say someone in a university overseas doing research in this area and using the MetOffice as their official source of data can easily use the wrong data? MIA.

In a similar vein to the above (though more agreeable and approachable) - what has happened to OldMetman?

Sorry about the above ......... The monthly figure does indeed show 6.4C, but on the daily figure report the figure is 6.58c when shown at the top of the daily report. Why is there a difference? MIA

Rainbow Snow, Just noticed you are from Solihull. I was in Olton this morning and round about 09:00 to 09:30 when I observed some bits of the white stuff (together with a bit of hail later on) . I then saw some hail pellets on the ground when I was working outside in the garden We definately had splodges on the windscreen - nearly had a flake!!! I agree about the temp it has remained below 5c all day and I am currently recording 3.4c with a gusty wind so it feels more like -1c. All the best to everyone if this is the last day - does anyone know if it closes down tonight? If it does then all the best from me. (as well as from him!) MIA

SB, This note ignores nost of the guesses on page2 after your collection up until the start of page 4. Is there a reason for this? or have I missed them. Its just that I don't want my guess( so accurate assessment) to go missing together with about 15 others! MIA

I'll go for 5.7C please MIA

Quiet in here at the moment. Dull miserable and cold here. Temp reached a max of 5.3. It is now slowly falling away. Where has the clearer milder weather to our South West .... It being shown on the models and met forecasts - gone? I ask this because I thought by this time the wind would be from the South to South East bringing in this milder air. In fact the breeze (not enough to call it wind) is from the North East and the low and even medium level cloud are moving quickly from the North East also. Could it be that the block is not giving up? and forcing low pressure to develop to the South Only a suggestion at this stage, but it does look strange. MIA

Yes Summer, had similar today....Just spent 15 mins collecting my wheelie bin... found it 200 yds down the road. I do not hold a driving licecnce for wheelie bin and the drive home took me ages as kept stopping to pick up all the bins of the road. I stll do noe know which was my newspaper or plastics box as there are about 25 piled up around a tree!! It is just starting to calm down now and the sun is appearing. Still fairly mild though at about 11C.

Wow from me also...... This my first ever post on here, but I too find this incredible. I wonder if its connected with a paper I saw a fortnight ago which was predicting that the north and south pole where expected to reverse polarity in the next eons. This guy was predicting the current polarity would weaken and wander around quite alot, before it switches over. Apparently he had fouund evidence of the poles reversing fairly regularly in the past from magnetic data incorporated in rock strata. It seems to be getting interesting - though probably not in out life-times. Someone else was predicting that the sun is also showing signs of magnetic reversal, maybe the earth just responds to the sun polarity. (Even I cannot believe that the sun follows the earth!).

Here the frost is hard at -6.5C. Clear skies. Could bring the CET down to 3.8C before adjustments for January. Well every little helps!!! (but only a bit when you guessed at 0.9C) .

Has anyone noticed that yesterday was the coldest day of January in the CET Region? The mean is recorded as -1.2C, with the minimum at -3.9C and the max at 1.4C according to Hadley. Furthermore today (30th) could also be below zero as todays minimum is recorded as -2.6C for last night and todays temperatures have remained suppressed. The temperatures are forecast for -5C in the area tonight so tomorrow is likely to be around zero. It almost certainly will mean a below 4C, probably in the region of 3.8 to 3.9C before corrections for January (and yes I too was miles out!!)

Agreed Albion Snowman........ Played a round of golf this morning and the frost only gave way after midday. It felt colder than playing in -4c before Xmas.; It is still bitterly cold this afternmoon with a stronger easterly breeze Overall the temp averaged -1.4C today as the temp here is 0.2C and falling rapidly.

Maximum temps in the Midlands and south are only around 1c today so look like an ice day Could be as low as -1.2c pulling the CET down to 4.16C before adjustments. Could we get below 3.7C after adjustments by month end.?

After a wrong guess in January, I'll go for 3.8c in February after an average first week and a bit and a cooler second half. So overall slightly colder than average Midlands Ice Age

Hello all.... I'm a newbie at this. My first guess is 9.25C (a continuation of the cold theme). :whistling: Good luck as well as a happy new year to everyone. Midlands Ice Age

My first attempt at a full years guesses so here goes - I had thoght a fairly average month followed by a cold february. However as we seem to have more a less on going blocking wth low AO and NAO I will now reduce substantially....... ERRRRRRR I fact I think I will go even lower than that. I'll go for a 0.9C. (Yes still positive, but not by much!) Midlands Ice Age

Hi guys I think it is my first posting in here (I am but a newbie to the forum). My observation (Yes I remember both 47 and 62 winters!) and particularly the 76 summer - also quite as being exceptional. After the 76 summer I remember thinking a couple of years later had been a game changer. The weatherr in summer appeared to become much better (only a perception I know) with longer (particularly), dry and warmer interludes which became more and more predominant in the 1990's and 2000's. It seemeed to set a higher standard of wearther for the next 20 - 30 years. We didnot have so many three fine days and then a thunderstorm interludes of summer weather. I am wondering whether this winter may do the same for the coming winters. At the moment it is early days but if this winter carries on until march in a similar manner then I will be interested to see what follows hereafter. It may be interesting to look back historically to see if an extreme example of climate does foretell a spell of weather of a similar ilk. AsI know nothing is nailed on this year as yet, but it could become something special. Midlands Ice AGe

Morning all Mainly cloudy, with one or two fleeting bright intervals Min -3.6 Current -2.6.

North NorfolkWeather - I find the chart you have posted above for monday quite incredible. The Omega blocking stretches nearly the whole way around the Northern Hemisphere (apart from maybe a section beteen Russia and Alaska). If this block does form in this way I think it would be very difficult to shift. Of all the fantastic charts I have seen over the last few days this must be the most unusual I have ever seen. It would certainly lead in my opinion to an amazing winter as it shows that the Greeni high linking to the siberian and inturn is not far awy from building into the Canadian High. That would be incredible if it happens. PS ... I am basically a lurker but felt I had to respond to this chart. I cannot help with your question,but it looks very long lasting to me!!!

My forcast is the same as my forcast in the Winter CET . I made it a week ago - and I still can see no real reason for changing it now. So its 1.9C for me after a very cold start.

Hi guys 7.4C for me. Very mid start then turning gradually colder, but not quite back to average .

Judst had a 30min hailstorm here. The temperature fell from 10C to 5C. It is still 5c half an hour later. I notice that the latest low temperature for Bham Airport is also 5C, so they also must have had the shower. There is still quite a covering on my lawn, but the roads are flooded due to leaf blockage, but clear of hail. Maybe my first freezing temperature of the winter here in central Solihull

I am a fan of yours WhiteXmas!! Most people on here cannot remember the summers of the 1950's. I maintain we have gone back to that era with very many similarities..

Hi guys, I've voted for 'no change' after alot of thought and reading thru' the forum. To start off with, I do not dispute the fact that the earth has slowly warmed in the last 30 years. To bring ozone into the discussion on global warming is a red herring as I have not heard of many people or scientists who disputed the trouble that ozone was causing back 20 yeqars ago. But to ascribe all the current warming to CO2 is to ignore all our previous history of warming and coolings. We all are all aware that during the previous major iceages, the global temperatures apears to have dropped by 10c. Also, we know that during the Interglacial warming periods the temperature was at least 5c higher than it is today. What process caused this to happen then? Why has the temperature fluctuated so much during the last 1 million years? It certainly does not appear to be due to man if you look at the longer timescale...... Unless it was from the methane of the millions of wild animals!!!. No my feeling is that there are longer-term forces at work here, possibly to do with changes in the sun's strength and the interaction with the global oceans, may be not. The next few years, as is being widely suggested, should give us more insight into the driving forces. My believe is that there are many interactions going on and it will take many more years (of discussions and scientific studies) to get anywhere near the true picture. I shall be watching the next few years with interest

Clear and cold. Temperature 6.1, scattered clouds in the North West