Honestly the model thread is an utterly confusing place at times. This morning some posters saying a pattern change is on the cards and there could be some snow possible at Xmas, others state no change at all until mid to late January if at all and the weather for the weeks ahead is for mobile mild westerlies with a few very brief PM shots. Utterly confusing and quite frankly Iv no idea what the long term forecast holds after reading that thread. !!