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Good question that, "When Did You Become A Climate Skeptic?" and a nice relaxed thread considering the subject! I first joined net weather back in 2004 but had had a very keen interest in the weather long before that. Back then I was baffled (to be honest I still am!) at all the scientific jargon I read on here, but over the years I have managed to learn a fair amount (thanks to you all) I was a skeptic of global warming/human induced climate change before I joined, and i am at present. Back in 2004-2007 I would at times pop into the climate threads to read but rarely post in there, then around 2007 (I think) I made a few posts in a climate thread debating against climate change being anything to do with humans, the following couple of days of battering I took, from prominent members of the forum at the time, put me off posting again and I am sorry to say this forum. In my posts I talked about the mini ice age and other natural climate changes, however I got attacked more on my grammar than I did on my thoughts. I had not at that time realised how heated this subject can get, I still do not understand today why people get so upset and defensive (I would like to point out that this is the case on both sides of the argument) Over the years I have popped in to have a look around as a guest but have not logged on for long, just to post a few pics occasionally not to post in any of the main threads. I came back to this forum a few days ago, I may stay for a while probably lurking here and there soaking up everyone's ideas on what this winter will bring weather wise. As to staying long term we will see. I am not a die hard skeptic I like to think I am open minded, if I learn of some new discovery that proves climate change is down to us, I will not dismiss it out of hand, and if it is solid and makes sense to me I will embrace it. However nothing I have learnt over the years so far has made me think any different, some will probably say I need to read and learn more then! They are probably right..........

Are you telling me that you truly beilive that there are no bad apples in climate science............? I will put my 'why' whereever I like To answer your question though, no I do not trust them for the very same reasons. You got me there lol Maybe I should of worded it better so apologies for that, I did not intend to insult your friend. I was not stating anyone/everyone in climate science was corrupt, just trying to get across that its a very high probability that there are such people in all kinds of organizations. (Just take the expenses scandal as an example) Again sorry to upset you I see your point TWS. I must admit to sometimes wondering how researchers going down a different line to AGW get on with getting funded and how seriously their work is regarded upon completion, not having a background in meteorology I can only speculate as to how their projects are taken. I would think (again speculation) that the reputation/ego issue is more common, i know I would not be happy after years and years arguing a case only for someone to come along and say its wrong!

ello PIT glad to see you on here still! Quote - "Academia you're right we shouldn't be surprised. Like when one prof won't take any notice of another prof because he got his/her qualifications at the wrong University regardless of the quality of work" Well said :unsure: I must confess I didn't expect to get jumped on so quickly returning to this forum, but I must keep in mind how heated these sort of threads can get.

Pmsl why so defensive? To be fair to me I did not pass any comment on this incident whatsoever, or indeed accuse anyone of any wrong doing ? You know nothing of me, why do you think i trust "sceptical scientists funded by right wing political organisations or oil companies"? Are you not jumping to conclusions? Just for the record, I dont! Why should I be ashamed? I have not passed judgement on Dr Phil Jones, i know nothing of the man, and nor do I care whether or not there is any guilt to be had. Sorry for any misunderstandings though.... Good fair point TWS :unsure: Still I think there are those that would push through things for ease to get said funding. What about the reputation ego side of it, if someone has spent 10 years arguing till they are blue in the face, and lets face it people are passionate about this subject, religiously so.........

Hi Jethro, I was not trying to state that this instance was anything to do with grant money or indeed passing any comment on this incident. I was trying to point out that when things, in this instance an idea or theory, are worth a lot of money there are always those (always) that will go to great lengths to earn what they can out of it. Again if your reputation or ego is threatened, there are some that will go to great lengths to hide and minimize that damage.... I was just surprised that others seemed shocked that this has "possibly" happened!

I am shocked and to be honest, disgusted at the BBC's lack of coverage on this story. I was not shocked however when this first came to my attention. Why anyone is surprised that this has happened is beyond me! Take a branch of science (i use the term "science" quite loosely) worth millions in research alone (disregard the billions made through advertising ect) of course there will be those that will modify the facts to fit, to achieve grants and funding. What shocks me is that this has not happen sooner then now. You also have to consider those that are not doing it for money but have been religiously arguing for years that we are doomed, seeing new data apposing their theories and tweaking said data to fall in place. Again with the vast amount of monies the vast amounts of ego flying about this "science" are you really surprised? I am not, and I sit back and chuckle :unsure:

A Fly agaric

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Yyld9QH55dw = numpty

That's awesome dogs32!!!! and yes it looks very similar In that last pic I uploaded I think I captured a funnel cloud, the local newspaper had some one post in a vid as they thought it was a tornado

Thanks for the replys and for letting me know what it was You learn something new every day !! Here is one more shot...........

A picture from yesterdays storm, me and my brother spent a amazing time storm chasing Think this is the storm forming.......

Snow has turned to rain here in peterborough, light drizzle

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Just one pic from today, still have snow on the ground!

one from today

Alright Dave, finally we get some decent snow!!!! But not long before it turns to rain me tinx :lol: Sods law huh....

You are not too far from me, a few miles yet all I got today was a dusting this morning which quickly melted then the odd shower throughout the day which melted and nothing more. Gutted :lol:

Not got much here (just outside of Peterborough) funny wot a difference a few miles makes! #crys#

I'm keeping to this thread too. Long time no see TEITS hope your keeping well! Fingers crossed for us to get a absolute dumping!!!

Bugger all here cept for a few odd flakes earlier and by a few I mean 3 or 4 lol :lol:

Got the odd flake blowing around here

Hi Rain, just waste a lot of time sitting and creeping about (Tis what I am good at lol)Here is a Goldfinch A Coal tit

Blue tit macro

Just need somewhere to rant BBC weather = Bloody awful! for the last 3 weekends they have got the forecast for my area completely wrong, costing me a fair amount of money. Take today for instance, its supposed to be bright with sunshine, now have I got that here?? - Have I ****! Not happy

Shadow, that Buzzard is stunning! great A Heron catching a Pike