Good points raised guys, I'm in the area that is supposed to be in the prime Spanish Plume area and have had only 1 this year and that was 28th April, so when that came along between 11 and 3am I thought this year was going to be a cracker.....how wrong I was :cry: :cry: Still July and August to go so dont despair just yet, all it needs is a few southerly flows and low pressure to form over France and we may be in business, but on the down side my optimism is only 30-70%, it just dos'nt feel right this year yet again!!! Paul Sherman