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Have to report from St Albans that the ladies on the bus (fur lined boots from the back pages of People's Friend division, South West Hertfordshire) are reporting a high likelihood of us 'getting another hammering' tonight. Sliced white and Rich Tea fingers are being hoarded even as we speak and a full day of Midsomer Murders repeats on ITV3 is being assumed. And as for 19 inches....boys, eh?

Not exactly chucking it down, but enough to give a covering. Maybe I shouldn't say that it's starting again here... Give it a chance...the best is yet to come.

Just had a nice half-hour flurry which has left a coating on everything.

Oooo....a very occasional flake or two here! Hurrah!

And let's post this again which shows that, once confronted, the skeptical accusations of political bias against them fall apart.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7092614.stm If you want to talk about the real politics of AGW, the most influential lobbying and the largest amount of funding can actually be found on the skeptical side. That is where the political pressure is coming from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/04/10...ate-censorship/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006...thicalliving.g2 http://noimpactman.typepad.com/blog/2008/0...limate-cha.html Which makes me wonder how, even with the backing of the most influential and richest businesses and people on the planet, they still cannot disprove the general consensus of AGW science? Hmmmmm......

Did you happen to see Russell Howard on Live at The Apollo last week? No? Thought not.... :lol: The truth is, current worldwide action on climate change means bog all in the scale of things: the country has definitely not gone green, it is not spending anything like the amount of money it is spending on activities will which directly add to pollution and climate change. Big business still has the ear of the world's politicians and is firmly in charge....any concessions there are are just sops to keep people quiet. They don't actually mean ANYTHING. It is ridiculous to suggest that the Climate Change lobby is ruling the world. It has almost no power, no voice and no action: one only has to look at the ease with which the third runway got through to see that.... The rest is just cynically manipulated oil politics and the scary thing is that people are buying it. :lol:

Unless they were in line, they tended to keep a fair way apart (partly due to risk of explosion), and so would pass without each other seeing. A 60 gun frigate would have only been about 100ft long and so could have easily hidden in plain sight. Also, there is always the possibility that he downed his flag and pretended to be part of the enemy fleet: would have been very easy had Centurion been a prize from another country (often fleets of any country were a hotch potch of other countries' vessels that had been taken as prize...very few had the money to build completely new fleets from scratch). Apart from officers, the crews would have been dressed remarkably similarly and so would not have stood out. But, if it really was thick fog he was lucky he didn't hit anything..... EDIT: Looks like it was just good luck: http://www.archive.org/stream/lifeofadmira...00anso_djvu.txt He turned up at Spithead (on the Solent) and was told he'd come through a fleet on the way there! EDIT 2: This is a very good 18th century account (published in 1901) of the voyage which has a large section about how the squadron communicated in fog, etc. 'The next day we had very squally weather, attended with rain, lightning, and thunder; but it soon became fair again, with light breezes, and continued thus till Wednesday evening, when it blew fresh again; and increasing all night, by eight the next morning it became a most violent storm, and we had with it so thick a fog that it was impossible to see at the distance of two ships' lengths, so that the whole squadron disappeared.* On this a signal was made by firing guns, to bring to with the larboard tacks, the wind being then due east. We ourselves lay to under a reefed mizzen till noon, when the fog dispersed; and we soon discovered all the ships of the squadron, except the Pearl, which did not join us till near a month afterwards. The Trial sloop was a great way to leeward, having lost her mainmast in this squall, and having been obliged, for fear of bilging, to cut away the wreck. We bore down with the squadron to her relief, and the Gloucester was ordered to take her in tow, for the weather did not entirely abate until the day after, and even then a great swell continued from the eastward in consequence of the preceding storm.' http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/di...16611/16611.htm

You didn't say that you appeared also... smiley.gif!

Amazing what you can do with Photoshop these days.....

'Quick! Get the gun. It's an ewok'

Max: 'Hello? Is that Kerry Katona?' OON: 'Erm. No' Max: 'Oh! Someone told me to call a fat person living in Iceland and I just assumed.....'

Go on, admit it....you shovelled it all into a pile didn't you just to get 4inches? That, or you cut the end off the tape measure.... Be careful about accusing the BBC, Mr OON: afterall, they have yet to show your piccy!!!

Nice pics OON. And, as for the 6 inches..... 'About 30 schools closed for the day in Cumbria, which saw up to 3 in (7.6 cm) of snow overnight,' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7814922.stm Men, eh?

The merest dusting of snow overnight here in Snorbens....

Woke to a light covering of snow....

A cynical plot to undermine the world as we know it or because fluffy bears look better on telly than barren wastes? Hmmmm..... :o

Thanks for that :ph34r: ...only 25 minutes to go....

This seems pretty comprehensive (with all the usual potential Wiki caveats)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard

Wouldn't surprise me as it's usually the organisations that are least 'obvious' which get re-organised first: English Heritage and the Ordnance Survey are definitely in the firing line. I know people who work in both, and they've been consulting about how it would work..... But, hey, as long as we can all continue to live in financial cloud cuckoo land, who cares who pays for that?

Started with frozen rain/snow at about 6am, which turned into snow by 7am...then rain by 9ish...and now it can't seem to decide what it's doing and we get snow one minute and rain the next. :o

Yes...you can certainly see why they named something after him!

A Swedish meteorologist apparently, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl-Gustaf_Arvid_Rossby

Oh, LG that's very gracious of you to do your bit....go on then!

Yep, all forgotten by me too! After all, if Osmposm says so, then I should too as I believe he was just what a young man ought to be! B) And back to climate change... C-Bob: how would you explain the dramatic difference in the graph in the christmas pudding? Also, re expected chaotic graphs: aren't they just that? But within the bounds of a regulated system (which I know sounds daft, but what the heck).

OK...cheers for this. 1) Linear...yep gotcha. What I was trying to say is why is that surprising? Historically, nature has regulated itself. As for curves: isn't that exactly what the recent data shows? 2) I thought CO2 was only a part: all the AGW stuff I've read acknowledges that too. 3) But then amazingly fragile and balanced systems are not unknown in nature, ecosystems for example. 4) I think that that the last 58 years of that graph shows that something very unusual IS happening. Anyways, doesn't matter what I think: I know diddly squat about this. I'm just glad that there are people who do.