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Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
I actually had a feeling the 18z would have some support in terms of snowfall amounts -
Great 18z for us. If a Polar/Siberian Low develops in that unstable Easterly/North Easterly flow we could get north of 8inches in one fall, easily. Add that to the convective snowfall amounts and we're looking at potentially very significant totals.
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Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yep, I never said whether the warming would or wouldn't enhance/dilute the cold spell. I just said that the models may not have a good handle on the effects of it- they were all over the place after the initial SSW. @Catacol and @chionomaniac (or one of the two ?) mentioned that they thought the secondary warming would in fact increase the chances of a prolonged cold spell. They have been spot on regarding this so far, therefore I'm inclined to accept what they're saying. -
Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Right, I've had enough. Everyone, do you remember when the SSW happened? Yes? And the models were all over the bloody shop? Yes? Well, there's been another warming of the stratosphere. This could, maybe, possibly be why the models are a tad confused. Understand? Hahaha maybe slightly condescending but if you wanna act like children you're gonna end up being treated like one ? -
To sum the 6z and 12z runs up, the high has been modelled further south. This means pressure is higher in the north, resulting in less instability and thus less snowfall. Like I said earlier, we'll need to see the high being modelled further north to allow the instability and colder uppers to hit the UK directly. If this does happen, it'll be our coldest and most likely snowiest weather since 2010. If not, the coldest and snowiest weather will go to France and we'll be cold and mostly dry.
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Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Looks like we'll get an early Greenland high here. Doesn't look like a sustained easterly. -
Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
GFS 6z Scandi High a touch further North at T96 and the low over the Mediterranean also slightly further North. Good. -
We need the Scandi high to be modelled further north today. Here's hoping
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Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
High does in fact appear to be further North on the GFS 6z -
Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
That said the Canadian vortex looks better orientated to allow better height rises to the North. Should be an interesting run. -
Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Early doors but the 6z looks even further south... We'll see anyway. May be a premature judgement. -
GFS 18z buries North Eastern England with heavy lake effect snowfall. Looking increasingly likely that we'll be amongst the hardest hit from this cold spell.
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Model output discussion - here comes the beast!
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
So... What's the difference? -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Yes, especially the second warming over Hudson Bay. That only occurred two days ago so the models are still playing catch up. Record SSW with favourable split, favourable huge MJO pulse, low solar output. Literally perfect for a proper Scandinavian high which is what we're seeing being modelled -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Mass respect to you in terms of your forecasting of this cold spell. You and @Catacol kept the faith even when the models hadn't latched onto the SSW and provided exceptional insight about the background signals. You've called this one brilliantly. -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Don't worry about what the models say regarding snow depths. As others have said, they don't know the convection rates. If the ECM verifies you could expect well over a foot for Eastern areas and 10cm+ widely in the south/south east. This is ignoring any low pressure systems that head north from Iberia -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Stunning charts but on a side note how bad has the ECM been! Usually considered top dog but it's been flip flopping all over the place with this cold spell. ICON stayed consistent and has impressed me, GFS also far more consistent than usual. Wonder what the ECM's been smoking this year -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Could that -24C air actually make it to the North Sea... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
GFS- Cold and very snowy UKMO- Cold and snowy GEM/ICON/JMA- Cold, snowy easterlies ECM- Cold, undoubtedly snowy and also the potential for fantastic longevity We are a go! -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Well I think everyone is pretty confident on the synoptic pattern that is about to evolve. The only question is where the high will sit. If the ECM corrects northwards on the next two/three runs I think we can get excited -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
I know we always say this but due to the high impact this cold spell could have and the fact we're less than a week out, this afternoon's ECM is huge- one of the most important I can think of. If it sings from the GFS hymn sheet, we can be fairly confident of the way this pattern will evolve and if we really will get snowmaggedon! I for one am nervous... -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
0z running. Looking good at T9 hours -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
@Daniel Smith. Quality analysis from you recently mate. You make it quite easy to understand the little details on the models. Appreciate it mate -
Model output discussion - Post SSW - Will it turn cold?
ZK099 replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Why do you say that?