East Lancs Rain

March 2

2 hours ago, stainesbloke said:

it’s very bad around here. All the local parks are filling up with water, quite a few residential streets are under water too. It needs to stop raining now, at least for a couple of weeks

Is that in London or in Prague?

1 hour ago, I remember Atlantic 252 said:

Thunderbolt_ pleased not on anymore

Why’s that? I have had a quick look at his profile and his posts seem alright to me.

2 hours ago, CryoraptorA303 said:

Thanks, I try to ignore all the wind up merchants now. People say these sorts of things when they can't keep up with the conversation and feel embarrassed that they have nothing of value to add. Anyone with an ounce of self-esteem simply doesn't open their mouth if they have nothing to say.

I think it’s because of your long lectures about climate change that bore/annoy people… This is the moans thread, not the climate change discussion thread.

March 2

8 hours ago, AWD said:

When the first day of Spring brings this such weather, over SW England of all places;

That’s pretty impressive for SW England on the 1st March these days! Just had some cold rain/sleet. At one point it did turn to snow for a few minutes though. And there was some snow on the hills. But not quite cold enough for a snow event here. Today it’s currently 4°C and raining, all that’s happened is we’ve gone from mild rain in February to cold rain in March!

11 hours ago, Daniel* said:

Spring 2023 was poor for warmth the lowest absolute max with 22.7C at Heathrow since 1986, it highlights what's still possible within our modern climate. Sometimes we get stuck in less favourable patterns that's the nature of our climate.

13 hours ago, Metwatch said:

Although Spring 2023 was not "freezing cold", it was one of the worst in quite a few years for those after something in the way of a longer drier, sunnier and warm spell.

Looks like it was one of those springs that didn’t have many cold days but didn’t have many warm days either. Just a lot of days very close to long term averages. A bit like a cooler version of Spring 2022 really, where despite having above average temperatures, there wasn’t any notably warm days, I don’t think I reached 20°C until June that year.. It was because of the lack of any cold weather that it was above average, similar with Spring 2023. It definitely wasn’t “freezing cold” though, it wasn’t like we were getting sub 10C maxima for days on end, more just cool really.

Looking at the stats though, it was quite a dull and wet Spring in the south, which would have made it feel cooler. Although if you compare it to the 1960-1991 averages, it was actually a very warm and sunny spring. Shows how much springs have changed since then.

March 2

19 hours ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:

Is that your YouTube channel!?

No it’s not it’s a from a young guy called Scott Richards who used to live in Greater Manchester, now lives in Lancashire.

March 1

WYorksWeather My scoring system for spring would go something like this:

Below 10C: 0

10-12C: 1

13-15C: 2

15-17C: 3

18-20C: 4

21-23C: 3

24-26C: 2

26-28C: 1

Over 28C: 0

Add 2 points for a sunny day. Add 1 point for a partly cloudy day. Subtract 2 points if raining.

In winter:

Below 0C: 0

0-3C: 1

4-6C: 2

7-9C: 3

10-12C: 4

13-15C: 5

Over 15C: 6

Add 2 points for a sunny day. Add one point for a partly cloudy day. Subtract one point if windy. Subtract 2 points if raining. 5 bonus points for a snowy day!

In summer:

Below 15C: 0

15-17C: 1

18-20C: 2

21-23C: 3

24-26C: 2

27-29C: 1

Above 29C: 0

Add 2 points for a sunny day. Add one point for a partly cloudy day. Subtract 2 points if raining.

March 1

Yet another video of a rainy walk in London filmed very recently. This time early in the morning. The weather conditions? 5C and raining in the pitch black… Absolutely glorious.. Yet the way some people are going on about how warm this winter has been you’d think it had been 15-20C and dry/sunny everyday!

March 1

3 hours ago, markyo said:

Thats the difference, i've been in shorts and a t shirt this entire winter, only a fleece on now and again.

you’ve been outside in just shorts AND a t-shirt for most of the winter?? I know it’s been mild this winter but blimey… It hasn’t been that mild! And it’s been so wet that surely you’d need at least a light rain jacket over your t-shirt? Otherwise you’d get cold and wet.. Surely? This winter has mainly been 8-12C, wet and windy, hardly shorts and t-shirt weather! 10C can still feel cold if it’s wet and/or windy. I could maybe understand if it had been a dry and sunny winter with those temps. It might have been an exceptionally mild winter but it’s still cold compared to the rest of the year, December CET was 7C, February CET around 8C, that is still much colder than October. Even in the house with indoor temps of around 18C, it has not been warm enough for me to wear shorts and t-shirts in the house, let alone outside!

3 hours ago, B87 said:

12.4c max, 3.3c min, and 127 sun hours. A much nicer month than Feb 2024.

Yes Feb 2019 was so much nicer and was a like a continental mild winter month with it being very mild/warm and sunny by day but still cold at night. It felt much warmer than this month due to much more sunshine, much less wind and rain, and higher daytime temperatures. It was like a winter month in Spain or a nice March/April. The only reason this February is technically warmer is because of the mild nights.

2 hours ago, TwisterGirl81 said:

I genuinely have not felt this winter has been out of the ordinary temperature wise in any shape of the imagination…at times it’s felt friged, others times mild, this is normal here in winter, where I am

I think because it’s been so wet and sunless and very windy at times, it hasn’t felt as mild as the stats say. Often the case with mild winters in the UK, 10C can still feel chilly if it’s windy and/or raining. Whereas a calm 5C and sunny day doesn’t feel too bad. And we are used to mild winters anyway these days. And has still been really cold at times like in early December and mid January as you say. It’s a bit like a month in spring or summer that looks ok/good temp wise, but becuase it was a cloudy and wet month with most of the warmth at night rather than during the day, it didn’t feel it.

If I didn’t see the stats and had to guess what this winter had been like temp wise, I’d still guess above average temperatures but not exceptionally mild, maybe a degree or two above average. February 2019 felt way warmer than this February. This February has been a horrible month and doesn’t deserve to be 2nd warmest on record.

March 1

sundog Well that’s one way to get to work!

danm Im surprised NW England isn’t included in the darkest blue, it has been one of (if not the wettest) February I can ever remember.

March 1

1 hour ago, markyo said:

Can feel my mood darken already, totally unnecessary as the outlook is still fairly positive, normalish Spring weather on offer, but the worst 6 months of the year are approaching fast October can't come fast enough now. Health both physical and mental will suffer. If i could hibernate i would and avoid the next 20 plus weeks with pleasure. And let us be honest we haven't had a Winter have we? My favourite season is a non event....again.

I get the same feeling in Late October when the clocks go back, when we are plunged into darkness by 4 pm, and knowing there will be 5-6 months of chilly, damp and gloomy weather. Normally around mid-late February I start to feel more positive as the days are getting longer and we can get some mild and sunny days, however this year I haven’t felt more positive yet due to it being so dull and wet. This winter has been a really long slog for many of us on here who like dry, sunny weather. Such a depressing spell of weather. The fact the winter has been very mild has not made up for the fact that it’s been one of the dullest and wettest winters on record. I would rather have had a winter with just average temperatures but with above average sunshine and below average rainfall. The nice crisp sunny days we normally get in winter have been severely lacking this year.

Im sorry you feel this way, I can relate as I hate late autumn and winter and would happily hibernate between late October and mid March. I just feel so tired, fed up and motivation disappears. Especially this year. It’s just been so dull and wet since July. We are well overdue a long spell of warm, dry and sunny weather now. It’s the mild/warm weather lovers turn to enjoy the weather now, it’s time for the sun to shine.

SollyOlly You guys are quite lucky really as the UK has one of the coolest and cloudiest summers in the world. Most countries summers at our latitude are hotter and sunnier.

March 1

B87 Oh well, at least it has been mild! Just out of curiosity, what was the mean max for London in Feb 2019? That felt like a much warmer month than this one, the nights were a lot colder but the days were much warmer with much more sunshine and much less rain.

March 1

Six years ago today we had the coldest spring day. Temps below freezing all day, snow on the ground, frigid easterly gale.. brrr… The snow was so deep as well.

March 1

Glorious first day of meteorological spring here, 2°C and heavy sleet, welcome to Spring 2024. March often has more snow than the winter here these days.

March 1

On 28/02/2024 at 12:29, B87 said:

I think the vast majority of people would consider an 18c day in summer to be very poor.

It depends where in the UK you are. For here, it’s the June average maximum, and just a couple of degrees below average in July. For some parts of the country, such as NE England and western Scotland for example it’s the average high summer max.

If it’s overcast with rain I’d consider it poor, but if it’s sunny I’d consider it to be quite a nice day, if maybe a little on the cool side. If it’s sunny it can feel just about warm enough for shorts and a t-shirt for me.

On 28/02/2024 at 15:06, Metwatch said:

I was away from mid July to mid August and even most of June and the first half of July I found weren't that bad either. June very thundery overall up here for the Midlands, with mid to late June having a fair amount of warmth and useable days. The first half of July not as great though but again quite a few nice days, just not much in the way of anything properly warm. Probably one of the best extended summers just behind 2022 and 2018 in recent years.

It was much worse up here. The first half of June 2020 and all of July 2020 except the final two days was diabolical here. That month did not even 20C here until the final two days! After the glorious spring, it felt even worse in comparison.

February 28

In Absence of True Seasons I guess by global standards Londons summers are pretty cool and cloudy. But being used to NW Englands climate, I would probably find the summers pretty dry, hot and sunny if I was to spend a summer down there. I would probably be moaning it’s too hot lol.

I’m not sure that chart you posted is accurate, because it has Birmingham and London duller than Manchester! Other sources say London has around 1678 hours of sunshine a year - it probably varies a bit depending on what station you look at, but 1410 hours a year seems a bit low for London. Also surprising that Glasgow is actually slightly duller than Rewjkavik. If those stats are correct…

2 hours ago, raz.org.rain said:

if I remember right, we're another few years away from having parts of the country officially qualify as Mediterranean-type classifications as per Köppen Geiger. I can't imagine we could be described as a cool country for much longer. Contrary to popular belief I believe we could easily develop a much warmer and drier climate over the next few decades.

I don’t think so. Warmer yes but not drier. The climate is getting warmer but also wetter. Warmer air holds more moisture and warmer seas mean deep lows in the Atlantic.

And a Mediterranean climate is much more about the rainfall pattern rather than the warmth. Eureka in California is classed as a Mediterranean climate but its summers are actually cooler than most of England! (Although much drier and sunnier). Hardly the kind of summers you’d expect when you’d think of Mediterranean. But becuase its winters are very wet and its summers are bone dry it’s classed as cool summer Mediterranean. UK summers are far too wet to be classed as Mediterranean. I know some places on the south coast are getting a more Mediterranean pattern but not enough to be classed as Mediterranean. I think humid subtropical could be possible for some places in the south in a few decades though.

February 27

raz.org.rain The Article says “Heatwaves are deadly extreme weather events that will grow worse for at least the next 30 years.“

Bit of an over reaction don’t you think?

danm Yes, London and the SE definitely the most continental part of the country, while western coasts, Northern Ireland and the outer Hebrides are the most maritime. Cool wet summers and mild stormy winters.

It’s been a cold and overcast and rainy/drizzly day here but now just as it’s gone dark the sky has cleared… Before more again rain tommorow.. Typical! Why can’t we get the cloud and rain at night for a change?

February 27

Don raz.org.rain

I’d say our climate is cool or chilly rather than cold. We don’t get the frigid winters a lot of other countries on our latitude get, but our summers are very cool by global standards, and our springs and autumn’s are quite cool as well. So I’d say the UK is generally chilly/cool and damp year round

February 27

15 hours ago, raz.org.rain said:

found this a while ago

I’d say more like:

SW England - Very mild winters, warm summers

SE England - Mild winters, hot summers

NW England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Western Scotland - Mildish winters and coolish summers

NE England and Eastern Scotland - Chilly winters and cool summers

In terms of annual temperature and rainfall:

SW England - Warm and wet

SE England - Warm and dry

NW England, Wales, Western Scotland and Northern Ireland - Mild and wet

NE England and Eastern Scotland - Cool and dry

I like SW Englands climate best. Plenty of warm, sunny days in summer, very mild (although rainy) winters without the extreme heat the SE gets.

15 hours ago, danm said:

London’s July average maxima is 23.9c (25c over the last 10 years). Seattle’s is 25.2c. Yes, Seattle is sunnier in Summer than London, and a little drier. But they don’t get 2022 style Summers most years, if they did their averages would be better. London’s July average daytime temperature in July 2022 was 27.2c.

I really wouldn’t say London’s default Summers are cool, wet and cloudy. Our Summers are mixed - some are cool and wet, others are warm and dry and most Summers have a combination of the two.

Yes with an average high of 24C in July and August and only 600 mm of rain a year, I definitely wouldn’t describe Londons summers as cool and wet… More like hot and dry!

Imo a place would have to have an average high of below 20°C in the warmest month and annual rainfall of at least 1000 mm for me to consider it as having a cool and wet summer.

I know I’m probably biased living in a much cooler and wetter part of the country. But compared to most of the rest of the country, Londons summers are very warm, dry and sunny.

One thing I find strange is that most of the people who post regularly in the moans thread are from the warmer, drier and sunnier parts of the country - a lot of people from the south east and central south of England… Not many people from Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Scotland, Cumbria etc.

If I lived in the South I don’t think I’d moan about the weather half as much!

February 26

3 hours ago, SollyOlly said:

completely know what you mean. May I can usually tolerate, but June and July are really testing for my type of reverse SAD - it's never truly dark, and I just find the light too harsh (it's the only word that I can use for it). Evenings can be nicer.

For me it’s the opposite. I hate the period from Late October until late February because it goes dark before 5 pm and the nights are just ridiculously long. And it’s also mostly gloomy, dark, cold and wet. Love the period from early May to late July when it doesn’t go dark till after 9 pm and there’s a long lingering twilight. And on a clear night in June it never quite goes completely dark - always a bright glow looking north.

February 26

6 hours ago, stainesbloke said:

The days might be getting longer but it’s blowing a hoolie and it’s 7°C. Feels pretty wintry to me. At least the sun is out

Yes, it was the same temp here and despite the sunshine, it felt noticeably colder today than other days this winter that have had the same temp.

Only a month to go until the clocks go forward. For me the period of British summertime (from last Sunday in March to last Sunday in October) is the warmer, drier and brighter time of year. It really feels like spring has arrived when it’s still loght

February 26

17 hours ago, RJBingham said:

No, they are not built to stay cool, they're built with little or no insulation, cold in the winter, stinking hot in the summer, I've spent 15 years in Victoria, and it gets plenty of cold days in the winter, some inland towns in Victoria and NSW get snow most winters, try spending a winter in Ballarat in a single brick house, makes me shiver just thinking about it.

Do people not have central heating over there if it gets cold regularly in winter? And snow in Australia?? Don’t tell me they get more snow than the UK…

February 26

Five years ago today, the UK has its warmest winter day on record. 21C in Wales and 20C in Manchester, where this time lapse was filmed. An incredible spell of weather. Hard to believe it’s been five years since then, time sure flies, a lot has happened in that time though..

February 26

Another benign day here. Dry, partly cloudy and currently 7°C.

But just checked the bbc weather forecast. Rain forecast every single day for at least the next week… ️

February 26

In Absence of True Seasons Those climates do seem pretty decent. Nothing too extremely hot or cold, and plenty of snow in winter and sun in summer. Although still a wider seasonal temperature range than what I’m used to.

The climate of Seattle is quite interesting. It’s basically like a slightly warmer, sunnier version of London, with wetter winters and drier summers. Just looked the weather forecast for Seattle, and it looks just like a forecast for a typical week in a UK winter, rain every day, and temperatures in that not cold enough to feel wintery but not mild enough to feel pleasant range.

February 26

9 hours ago, cheese said:

Yup. It was an exceptionally mild/snowless Christmas for much of Canada last year, and on Reddit I saw a lot of people in Calgary/Edmonton etc celebrating the lack of snow.

Just goes to show the grass is always greener on the other side. There is even someone on here from Edmonton who posts in the moans thread occasionally, and they don’t like snow either!

Ideally, the happy medium would be climate where it alternated between cold and frosty/snowy and mild and dry in winter, rather than weeks of sub zero temps and heavy snow or 8-12C and wind and rain. And in summer, the ideal climate (for me at least) would be somewhere that had a decent amount of sunshine, didn’t have too many wet days but wasn’t too hot either (average high below 25C). Somewhere which wasn’t predominantly cool, damp and cloudy but not just 35C and sunny everyday either. I’m not sure if there’s anywhere in the world where you’d find a Goldilocks climate like that though, maybe up in the hills in Spain?

8 hours ago, markyo said:

Those who had this idea we would have a hot Southern France or Northern Spanish climate are wrong, very wrong.

I think in the future, as the climate is getting warmer, wetter and sunnier, the UK could eventually become a humid subtropical climate, and maybe in 1000’s of years time who knows maybe a humid rainforest type climate.

5 hours ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:

A properly grim evening for anyone in the south. Cold, windy rain.

Oh well, at least it will be… Oh wait, can’t even say that, highest temp is only 9C…

February 25

9 hours ago, Markus03 said:

I feel like I've seen something like this: UK people want winter all the time due to endless rain. Northern Europe wants winter to end already and miss the rain. When snow melts it's going to be much more wet here than it will be for you when it rains. It depends how much you'll get but usually it's not that bad outside of storms for you. For me it's much hard to move in the snow than to move in the rain. You can use an umbrella for that to not get wet. There's 50 cm of snow here. Isn't that more than enough? Geez, everyone I know is tired of winter.

Can I just ask..? Have you experienced a British winter? Because they’re generally pretty miserable, mostly just 6-12°C, gloomy skies, and frequent wind and rain. The mildness and lack of severe cold is the only good thing about them. Many people suffer with depression in winter because of the constant gloomy skies. Whereas when it snows, it looks pretty and at least brightens things up a bit. I don’t know about you when it’s been snowing I haven’t got wet.. Rain certainly does get you wet though… And about using an umbrella to not get wet. Try doing that when it’s wet and windy, it won’t end well…

You probably think I’m crazy but I actually like walking through deep snow… Of course, what you consider deep and I what I consider deep are probably completely different, but here in Northern England we only get about 1 or 2 snowy days a year, and about 170 rainy days a year… Definitely wish I got a few more snowy days and a lot less rainy days! So on the rare occasion it does snow here, I like to go for a snow walk. It’s usually slushy on the pavements (unless there is a thick covering) but walking on snowy grassy land it’s nice. ️ And when the sun comes out in the spring and summer, I like to make the most of that too, and will go for a walk or sit in the garden. The beaches are packed in the UK whenever there’s a bit of sun..

That said, not everyone in the UK likes snow, and many people prefer mild weather in winter, even though it’s nearly always accompanied by wind and/or rain.

You’ve got to admit though, as fed up as you might be with the snow, it does look pretty.

8 hours ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:

yes...case of the "grass is always greener".

It's like the walking videos of London in the pouring rain, Americans from Texas and such will comment on it saying "wow looks so cosy and peaceful" because they view it as such, due to getting warm sun nearly every day.

I imagine most coldies on this forum, myself included in there as someone who enjoys snow and frost and wintry weather, would quickly tire of proper wintry conditions of the type you get in Scandinavia as it would be so impactful and disruptive to just day to day activities and errands etc.

Yes… Definitely a case of that. When we look at pictures of deep snow in places like Finland, Sweden, Scandinavia etc. we go “ooooooooo doesn’t it look pretty, wish it was like that here”!

Ive found another one of those walking videos but this time of snow in Stockholm in Sweden.

This video below looks really nice, very relaxing. Looks very pretty. The lovely sound of his feet crunching on the snow… Sure beats our overcast grey skies and rain soaked roads and pavements. Plenty of people loving it in the comments too, who are probably not from Sweden.. Or anywhere that gets a lot of snow…

5 hours ago, al78 said:

I don't know what Norwegian houses are like in 30C temperatures but I know UK ones aren't good either, nor are UK houses good at holding heat in during the winter. UK housing stock is generally poor overall. Most buildings in the UK are unpleasant environments without air con in 30+C temperatures.

It depends on what kind of house you have, detached, semi detached, terraced, old, new, well insulated, no insulation etc. I live in a detached bungalow and it’s quite a cool house, it doesn’t really get any warmer than 26C, even when the temperature outside is over 30 degrees and most of the time in summer it’s around 19-22°C. However, the downside is the heating needs to be on between around late September to late May, and even in summer it’s often not warm enough to just wear a t-shirt in the house!

At the other extreme I’ve seen people on here and elsewhere who live in modern apartments in London, which are super warm, they barely need the heating on in winter but it’s baking in summer.

Good insulation though is key to helping keep the heat in in winter and keep the heat out in summer, as well as keeping your windows shut during the day in a heatwave (many people have them open thinking it will cool the house down!)

February 25

8 hours ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:

Yeah I'll get that in a few hours. Probably right at the time that I'm going to the pub with my friend and his German shepherd lol.

Which was why I put in my comment "dry day so far". "So far" being the key bit there...always time for more rain later on eh...

8 hours ago, *Stormforce~beka* said:

I need to go to the shop for some chicken to make soup! Better get my skates on before I get wet

Ha ha, It’s actually been a dry day here for a change!

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