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I know this may be hard to believe but it’s actually managed to stay dry here for a WHOLE weekend!
Crazy I know. For once it’s been a normal February weekend, dry with a mix of sunshine and clouds, overnight frost and daytime temps of 6-7°C. 
Far more preferable to the 10-12°C wet and windy weather we’ve had over much of this winter. Had it been a month later it would have probably been quite springlike.
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On 21/02/2024 at 15:56, reef said:
I'm always surprised when 2014 is considered a decent summer. It was the second coolest summer of the last decade and cooler than all of the last 8. It was also widely above average on rainfall for large parts of England and north-east Scotland. Just about the only thing going for it was it was quite sunny.
For here, 2014 has a summer index of 230, which is less than both 2021 (231) and 2023 (244)
I remember June and particularly July 2014 being very warm and sunny. I remember it turned hot during the last week of July 2014 too iirc. It was the warmest and sunniest June and July combo of the decade after 2018, at least here anyway. July 2014 was also the sunniest since 2006 here. Here, that summer was like a slightly poorer version of 2018.
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On 21/02/2024 at 16:34, reef said:
Its often easy to forget Spring is quite a cold season. The average maximum doesn't hit 15C in most places outside of the south-east until mid-May.
True, although I find Spring often feels warmer than autumn due to the stronger sun, more sunshine hours and also because of acclimatisation - the same temp tends to feel warmer in spring as we’ve just come out of winter.
Also, maximums in Spring arent that much different than maximums in autumn here.
Average maximums here:
March: 9°
April: 12°
May: 15°
September: 17°
October: 13°
November: 9°
Spring nights are a few degrees colder though. Also, March and April are warming up faster than any other month, over a degree since 61-90, whereas October has barely changed.
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GavsWeatherVids has released his Spring forecast today.
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Wouldn’t it be great if we got a repeat of March 2012, April 2020 and May 2018 this spring? Especially after this awful winter. It won’t happen but we can dream!
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Not been a bad day in NW England. Temps around average with plenty of sunshine. Something that’s been severely lacking this winter.
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12 minutes ago, WYorksWeather said:
Dry is the most important thing I think. I'd prefer warm and dry to cold and dry, but I'd take either over wet.
Absolutely.
This winter has taught me that even if temperatures are way above average, it means Diddy squat if it’s cloudy and wet.. I’d be very happy if every month this year was drier and sunnier than average, even if temperatures were below average.
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1 hour ago, SunnyG said:
It may well snow in April, but it's not very likely. It's much more likely to have above average heat in September. One has to be a bit realistic...
Actually, it’s statistically more likely to snow at Easter than at Christmas.1 hour ago, SunnyG said:Probability is very low, given the current climate issues. Why on the one side acknowledge that Planet Earth is warming up while at the same time realistically expect it to be cold in the UK, which has a temperate climate anyways? That's what I do not understand. Like chasing rainbows but less appealing...
To be honest, most of this sites traffic in the winter is cold lovers looking for cold weather. If you took that ability away it would make the site a lot quieter.
I don’t think anyone expects a cold winter in the UK anymore (if they are, they are in for a big disappointment) but I think most weather enthusiasts still expect a couple of cold snaps with some snow and heavy frost at some stage during the winter. For example, as mild as this winter has been, we’ve still managed to have a couple of quite potent cold spells of weather, with some snow in places.
And seeing cold charts does get a lot of people excited, even though it almost always leads to disappointment these days.
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Not too bad a day here. Some sunshine earlier on, now completely overcast but still dry. Very light winds. Currently 7°C which is bang on the long term average. Just noticed I had snowdrops, bluebells and daffodils growing in my garden. I can’t remember seeing them this earlier before. The grass seems to have grown a bit too.
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5 hours ago, SunnyG said:
We had a heatwave last September didn't we? So there's way more probability of heat after August that there is of snow after February
It can snow as late as late April in the UK, there’s still plenty of time…
On 23/02/2024 at 05:57, markyo said:We need the cold desperately, ask any arable farmer, the water logged fields need a good freeze to help with the breaking up of the clag most are faced with, dry yes needed but not mild. Nature also needs the reset of the weather, this mild Winter is detrimental, not a positive.
You were doom-mongering about the lack of rain in September 2022, arguing with people who were wanting an Indian summer.. Now you are arguing with people who want a nice warm and sunny Spring, saying we are all doomed if we don’t get a dry and cold spell of weather…
Did we all die due to lack of water in 2022? No. The reservoirs were replenished. Just like the ground will eventually dry out now.. The weather always balances itself out. Give it a few months and they will be bleating on about lack of water and hose pipe bans…
On 30/09/2022 at 17:26, markyo said:What a fantastic day of so much needed rain, months of this is required. Really starting to get a very bad feeling that folk have no idea how bad the water situation is. Last thing we need now is an Indian summer! Just take a look at the stock levels, never seen it so bad.
On 30/09/2022 at 18:59, markyo said:More than a couple of days!!!!! Take a drive over the Woodhead Pass, the main set of reservoirs for a huge population are the Crowden set, they are near empty. We will be in a lot of trouble if the Autumn and Winter are dry, to many folk aren't grasping this yet.
On 30/09/2022 at 17:46, markyo said:Right I'm going to be honest, nothing to do with preferences or whatever. The Pennie chains are virtually empty, the areas i have been in southern counties not much better, a dry Autumn and Winter will result in massive issues, that is blatantly obvious. We need rain, a lot of rain, a repeat of this Summer would be catastrophic if not, stand pipes, failed crops etc. I get what your saying, some folk like yourself struggle due to SAD, i have reverse SAD so understand but the fact is we need water. We are at less than 30% currently in a lot of areas.
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12 hours ago, SunnyG said:
Is that someone from the mod thread?
I dunno but he posts on the moans thread now and again. He actually moans about getting too much snow in winter!
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6 hours ago, SussexSnowman said:
Ooooh what's that outside my window?? More chuffing rain! Seriously someone invent those satellites like in that film Geostorm so we can turn off that poxy atlantic guff.
Or better yet, how about putting a giant glass dome over the country like they did in the Simpsons movie? Sure, we might have to drill in some holes to at least allow some rain in to stop every tree from dying, and sunny days in summer would turn the country into a greenhouse, but at least it would be drier…
Dome | Simpsons Wiki | Fandom
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“D'oooooooooooooome!!” ―Homer Simpson[src] “Carl: Are you telling us we're trapped like rats?Russ Cargill: No, rats can't be trapped this easily. You're trapped...4 hours ago, markyo said:We certainly need a Beast from the East. Its not looking good, i do over a thousand miles a week and the state of the ground is shocking everywhere, mild weather is the last thing we need, frost is needed and dry conditions
That’s just not going to happen… There’s probably more chance of Elvis Presley coming back than getting another BFTE now… But the milder and sunnier it is, the faster the ground will dry up. High pressure centrally located over the country in March should deliver some very pleasant conditions of around 10-15°C and sunny during the day, with some frosty nights, especially in rural spots.
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7 hours ago, markyo said:
We need the cold desperately, ask any arable farmer, the water logged fields need a good freeze to help with the breaking up of the clag most are faced with, dry yes needed but not mild. Nature also needs the reset of the weather, this mild Winter is detrimental, not a positive.
Looking at the forecast for here, it’s turning drier and brighter but also colder with a few frosty nights forecast. Not a big freeze but realistically that’s not going to happen unless we get a beast from the east.
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The daily express is at it again now…
At least it’s not written by Nathan Rao this time.
UK snow forecast: New map shows exact date -3C 'Beast from the East' hammers Britain | Weather | News | Express.co.uk
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On 21/02/2024 at 16:35, markyo said:
Desperately need this colder air now, this vile mild crap has hung around far to long, fingers crossed this change in patterns lasts long into March, we need it!!
What we desperately need is a long dry spell to let the reservoirs and river levels go down, allow the ground to dry out, as well as some sunshine to lift everyone’s mood. Whether it’s cold or mild doesn’t really matter, we just need prolonged dry spell.
On 22/02/2024 at 01:12, East Lancs Rain said:Just goes to show that the grass is always greener on the other side. They are fed up of constant warmth/heat and sunshine and can only dream of a cloudy and rainy climate. Whereas us (well, many Brit’s anyway) are fed up of the constant grey skies and rain, and a place where its warm and sunny year round seems like a paradise right now.
And to add to that, there’s someone on here from Canada @cheeky_monkey who prefers our (almost) snowless winters over a Canadian winter, a kind of winter that the coldies on here could only dream of…
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4 hours ago, Summer8906 said:
(Wellington is an interesting one - it's sunnier but its warmest month is cooler than London's warmest, 20.4C mean max in Feb so no month achieves a 21C mean max. It's also never reached 32C. But it still manages 2058 hours of sunshine!)
Wellington does have an interesting climate. It’s a very temperate climate, with average highs of around 20C in summer and 12C in winter, so it’s pretty mild year round, with plenty of sunshine. My kind of climate really. However, Wellington is also very windy - it’s the windiest city in the world in fact. So a lot of the time it probably feels a lot cooler than the air temp. However, with the extra sunshine, and with it being slightly closer to the equator than London, will help to counteract the windy weather to some degree, I would’ve thought.
If I had to choose between living in London or Wellington, I’d probably choose London. Because maxes of 24C in summer are a bit high for me, I prefer 20-22C, and London can get really hot sometimes, whereas Wellington is cooler and more consistent with fewer and less intense heatwaves. And Wellington is warmer in winter too, and considering London doesn’t usually get even a single snowflake in winter these days, I might as well take the milder temperatures.
I’ve attached a couple of screenshots of the current summer weather forecast for Wellington, and it looks quite pleasant in my opinion, with plenty of sunny or partly cloudy days around 21/22°C and a moderate breeze. But it can get so windy that people struggle not to get blown over. Even in summer.
Heres a couple of videos of the wind in Wellington. In the summer!
Makes our named “storms” look like a gentle breeze.
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2 hours ago, raz.org.rain said:
That's very unlikely if it's any consolation. I know these forums are generally not a fan of the "England to turn Mediterranean" soundbite, but a few studies have theorised that the direction of travel for our climate is for something much drier and warmer. Sunnier? I think there's probably a case for that too. One of the more prominent examples is Beck et al. "Present and future Köppen Geiger classification at 1km resolution" from 2018, which concludes that a good portion of the south could have a Csb and Csa climate classification by 2071-2100.
Having looked at the met office climate stats for different locations across the UK, just about all locations have become warmer and slightly sunnier, which is good, but they are also a bit wetter. However, London is warming up faster than other locations in the UK, esspecially in summer for some reason. Why that is, I’m not sure. Maybe it’s down to more urban development and traffic increasing the heat island effect. Or maybe it’s down to us getting more syntopic patterns that favour the south east. For example, an easterly or a north easterly in summer will tend to give western areas the highest temperatures, whereas a westerly or a south westerly flow will tend to give London the highest temperatures. At lot of summers in recent years have been best in the south east.
For example, at Heathrow, the average July and August high has increased by 1.4°C between 1961-90 and 1991-20. July has changed from 22.4 to 23.8 and August has changed from 22.0 to 23.4.
However, if we look at Rochdale in Greater Manchester, the summers have not warmed as much. July has increased by 0.8°C from 19.2 to 20.0, and August has only increased by 0.6°C, from 18.9 to 19.5. And interestingly, August mean max in Rochdale is actually ever so slightly lower in the 1971-2000 average than in the 1991-20 average!
August has often been a poor month in NW England over the past 15 years or so. August 2008, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2016 and 2017 have all been quite poor or very poor in these parts.
Sunshine has increased massively in Heathrow, from 1519 hours per year in 61-90 to 1674 hours in 91-20, while rainfall has only increased slightly, from 596 mm per year in 61-90 to 614 mm in 91-20. The number of rainy days per year has increased slightly from 106 hours in 61-90 to 111 hours in 91-20.
Looking at Rochdale, annual sunshine has increased from 1179 hours in 61-90 to 1265 hours in 91-20. However, annual rainfall has also increased a bit, from 1135 mm in 61-90 to 1197 mm in 91-20. The number of rainy days per year has also increased from 161 to 170.While the summer have warmed up by quite a bit, October has barely changed, with an increase in max temp of 0.5°C from 15.3 to 15.8 at Heathrow. In Rochdale it has warmed even less, with an increase in max temp of just 0.2°C, from 13.2 to 13.4.
March and April on the other hand have warmed up massively, with an increase of max temp of over a degree at both Rochdale and Heathrow between 61-90 to 91-20. Mean max for April for Heathrow has increased from 13.1 in 61-90 to 15.0 in 91-20!
Overall, the UK has become warmer, sunnier, but also wetter, with fewer cool, cloudy and dry days, fewer exceptionally cool/cold days and more sunny days, more rainy days and more exceptionally mild/warm/hot days.
Perhaps that’s a good thing considering there’s more actual weather going on, more warm sunny days, more wet days, rather than boring days of cloudy and dry weather. However, the amount of annual rainfall and rainy days increasing is bad news in a climate that already suffers with too much rain and far too many days ruined due to rain. The increase in the amount of annual rainfall is easy to explain - warmer air holds more moisture, however the increase in rainy days (days with more than 1 mm of rain as defined by the met office) is harder to explain. Maybe due to an increase in unsettled patterns, low pressure and westerly winds? As for the increase in sunshine, maybe that’s down to less pollution and cleaner air these days?
Overall, the UK is now slightly warmer and sunnier, which is good, however, London is definitely warming up the fastest and appears to have had the biggest increase in sunshine too. So for any Londoners who think the current climate is bad, be grateful it’s not between 1960 and 1990! One of the coldest periods in UK history.-
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And here we’re somewhere in between. Amazing how warm, dry and sunny London is compared to most of the UK.
The Faroe Islands must have one of the worst climates in the world. 13C summers, 1000 hours of sun and 1400 mm of rain a year… Its bad enough up here. It’s a wonder people manage to live up there! Their winters are barely any colder than mine though. Amazing how much the ocean moderates small island climates.
Typed into google “summer in Faroe Islands” and came across these images, looking at the way people are dressed, must have been a rare “warm” summer day in the mid teens! Looks a nice place though, but I don’t think I could cope with such an awful climate. This autumn and winter has been difficult enough.
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5 hours ago, markyo said:
Winter weather in Winter!
Well you might enjoy 5C and rain but that weather is just pointless to me. Not cold enough for snow, but still cold and miserable. If it’s not cold enough for snow it might as well at least be mild or dry and sunny.
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This day 5 years ago. What a spectacular spell of weather that was.
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On 20/02/2024 at 10:12, TwisterGirl81 said:
here are the 2023 met office stats stats for the uk
Thanks, it looks like the far northwest of Scotland had the best weather in terms of dryness and sunshine, at least compared to thier average anyway.
On 20/02/2024 at 11:16, In Absence of True Seasons said:Alot of the people who watch and comment on these videos aren't from the UK either. They'll be from, say, warm and dry American states such as Texas or Arizona, or South America, where they're sick and tired of the sun and imagine grey, dark and rainy weather to be "cosy" and "cute". I'm no fan of year-round warmth like AZ / TX gets, but try living a year in England and then come back to me about how whimsical and romantic it is to be rained on near-daily lol. I can guarantee that the novelty would wear of very quickly in fact.
Just goes to show that the grass is always greener on the other side. They are fed up of constant warmth/heat and sunshine and can only dream of a cloudy and rainy climate. Whereas us (well, many Brit’s anyway) are fed up of the constant grey skies and rain, and a place where its warm and sunny year round seems like a paradise right now.
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9 hours ago, In Absence of True Seasons said:
Good grief. This country's climate is honestly so dire it's unbelievable. If we don't get a dry and sunny Spring and/or Summer I will genuinely have to consider emigrating at some point because if this is what climate change has in store for us, I don't think I could hack it long term.
It’s not looking as bad here weather wise, although the temps are colder here, highs of 6C is going to feel chilly after all of the double digit maxima we’ve been having.
That said the bbc weather app does look pretty pants though…
6 hours ago, CharlieBear9 said:So many people got the mild weather throughout winter that they were desperate for and they're sill not happy. Wrong type of mild I suppose.
Yup. Definitely! I’m a mild fan but I’ve hated this winter. I can’t remember a winter as gloomy and as wet as this one. Winter 2019/20 might have been close but this feels even worse. It’s just been so depressing and I feel really fed up at the moment. Ideally I’d like it mild and dry, like winter 2016/17 or winter 2018/19. I know that in winter you often can’t have your cake and eat it too: if it’s mild, it’s usually wet and if it’s dry, it’s usually cold, but this winter has just been so exceptionally wet and dull it’s just crazy. I didn’t get the exceptionally mild and sunny weather the south got either, the warmest day here was last Thursday which was overcast with periods of rain and 14C…
I would much rather have a month like February 2021 which although had a cold first half, had a very mild and fairly springlike second half.
Its a bit like if we had a winter month where it was just 4 or 5C and raining most days, but never quite cold enough to actually snow, or just a month where it was below average temps but whenever it was a cold enough to snow, it was dry, it would be a cold month on paper, but it would also be the wrong type of cold for coldies.
A bit like how July 2023 held up ok CET wise but wasn’t a summery month at all.
4 hours ago, Frigid said:Definitely the worst winter month I've ever experienced, next to December 2015. I know it isn't ideal but I hope we see a cold, frosty and sunny March-April to compensate for the absolute dismal conditions we've been facing. This winter has been beyond depressing I've sort of lost hope for the upcoming one.
It’s been depressing for me as well but not becuase of the mildness but becuase of the severe lack of sunshine and dryness. I wouldn’t mind a cold, sunny and frosty March and April as long as it still reaches 10-15°C during the day. That would make a really pleasant early spring actually. Give me 10C and sunshine over 15C and rain any day.
4 hours ago, WYorksWeather said:Essentially, it's about usability. A 12C day but raining sideways with a 20-30mph wind is significantly worse than a 7-8C day which is largely dry and still. So although it has statistically been a very mild month and you would think possibly good for fans of mild weather, especially in the second half, it really hasn't felt as good due to the constant nagging breeze. Until things warm up a bit more, any spring-like feel is dependent on not having wind or rain, because as soon as the sun goes in, it feels cold - we're in February after all.
I'd rather have had temperatures a degree or two cooler but with less of the wind and rain (or alternatively, a proper cold spell with some snow at some point in the month). The reason a lot of people are already looking to March is because this pattern in February is almost a bit wasted. It's never really going to be warm enough to feel nice for outdoor activities, whereas the same pattern 3-4 weeks later might have brought temperatures of 20C or so.
Yes I agree completely. It often hasn’t felt particularly mild in the wind and rain and even when it has, the rain has spoiled it…
I found the winter of 2018/19 milder than 2019/20 because although 2019/20 was milder temperature wise, with a lot of days in double figures, the constant wind and rain made it feel colder. Whereas in winter 2018/19, it tended to be more in high single digits, but much drier and brighter with much lighter winds. I find even temps of 10-12C can feel chilly if there’s a cold wind blowing. Today was a good example, the morning and early afternoon was wet but it felt quite mild, but by the late afternoon the wind got up and it felt much colder, and it felt chilly despite the temp still being around 10C. I find in winter the wind can make it feel much colder than the actual temperature, especially if the ground is wet. Whereas if it’s only 6 or 7C but with light winds, it doesn’t usually feel too bad, and can feel warmer than a 10-13C, wet and windy day.
Another month where the CET doesn’t tell you the whole story. A high CET is pointless if it’s very wet and dull. Like July 2023…
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Only 9 days to go until meteorological spring but there’s no sign of anything springlike yet.. CFS Model is forecasting a delayed spring with northwesterlies in March.
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8 hours ago, Polaris said:
You know this winter is bad when Stav on Latest beeb forecast refers to 10c in London and 8c in Edinburgh as 'COLD'. Other countries must laugh at us
Maybe cold if you go outside in just a T-shirt!
10C in London and 8C in Edinburgh in February would be around a degree above average.
7 hours ago, Froze were the Days said:BBC forecasters should bow their heads in embarrassment at the their lack of knowing what max temperatures should be for the time of year country wide as an approximate, a week or so back they were saying that 9c was the average at the time...hhmmmm no.
To be fair we’ve gotten so used to mild winters these days that I think people have forgotten what cold weather is. 9C would be about average for a London day in February, I’m guessing they were probably from darn sarf.
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Their houses are built to stay cool which is the reason why, which is sensible considering it’s warm/hot for most of the year down there, however I would’ve thought Aussies would invest in portable radiators/fan heaters to stay warm during those rare “cold” days in the winter, just like many Brit’s have got fans/portable air conditioners ready for the 2 weeks of hot weather we get a year lol.