Red Raven

none here and we have mountains!

Its apparently confirmation Star Trek is real! :blink:

I'm always drawn to ponder the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics when these questions are raised. Did these specks simply not exist because they where not measured in the past? The crazy but not so fringe view is that the act of measurement creates the existence of these spots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation

Its very short sighted and disappointing that something so visionary can be cancelled so easily. Space is humanities future and we should strive to explore as much of it as possible.

Snowing here in Cockermouth - it almost makes all the skips look welcome.

None stop rain and wind. Now on flood alert with the rivers almost as high as this time last year when the area suffered a lot of flooding. This year the flood defences are higher so we have an extra 3 feet! Rain since midnight - 28.2mm Rain storm (2-3days) - 87mm

The activity around Somoa is still continuing. Is this normal? DATE LAT LON MAG DEPTH REGION 02-OCT-2009 06:30:39 -16.47 -173.36 4.7 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 02-OCT-2009 05:05:12 -15.92 -173.53 4.9 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 02-OCT-2009 02:46:48 -16.73 -172.30 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 02-OCT-2009 02:13:57 -15.01 -172.50 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 02-OCT-2009 01:55:06 -14.49 -173.37 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 02-OCT-2009 01:07:39 -16.58 -173.27 6.3 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 22:33:37 -16.42 -173.05 4.8 59.8 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 21:15:41 -16.27 -173.35 4.8 0.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 18:40:17 -15.00 -173.43 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 18:18:52 -15.06 -173.85 5.4 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 15:34:33 -16.24 -173.44 4.9 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 13:33:44 -15.45 -173.56 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 10:51:07 -17.20 -172.79 5.4 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS REGION 01-OCT-2009 09:47:26 -16.27 -173.55 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 08:49:59 -16.60 -172.97 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 01-OCT-2009 07:24:08 -15.37 -173.11 5.1 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 06:13:30 -15.12 -172.93 5.5 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 01-OCT-2009 03:41:57 -15.51 -173.75 4.8 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 01-OCT-2009 00:30:22 -16.44 -172.44 5.0 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 21:22:54 -16.67 -173.83 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 19:43:53 -15.35 -173.45 5.2 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 18:04:46 -15.10 -177.28 5.2 10.0 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 17:47:17 -15.45 -173.38 5.2 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 15:20:16 -15.08 -173.46 5.1 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 13:57:11 -16.64 -172.58 5.4 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 13:31:08 -15.06 -173.51 4.6 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 09:05:13 -16.13 -172.86 5.0 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 08:24:58 -16.58 -172.68 5.3 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 07:32:15 -15.26 -172.70 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 07:13:46 -16.58 -172.94 4.7 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 05:24:51 -15.35 -173.38 5.3 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 04:46:22 -16.35 -172.25 4.8 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 04:03:11 -15.62 -173.35 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 03:18:10 -15.78 -172.77 4.6 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 02:47:27 -15.72 -173.14 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 02:39:08 -16.23 -172.91 4.7 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 02:29:34 -16.62 -173.04 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 01:39:50 -15.48 -173.38 5.1 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 01:30:40 -15.53 -172.58 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 01:16:18 -15.58 -172.04 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 01:09:29 -14.97 -173.61 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 01:05:34 -14.91 -173.24 5.2 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 00:40:52 -15.46 -172.93 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 00:27:53 -15.03 -173.14 4.8 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 00:22:38 -15.38 -173.48 4.9 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 00:11:38 -15.99 -172.24 5.0 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 23:51:43 -15.13 -171.94 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 23:45:03 -15.84 -172.53 5.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 23:32:57 -15.54 -173.32 5.4 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 23:11:51 -15.56 -173.37 5.5 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 22:41:45 -15.20 -172.90 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 22:08:30 -15.35 -173.39 5.1 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 21:51:00 -16.17 -172.53 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 21:28:56 -17.21 -173.00 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:57:58 -16.07 -173.12 5.2 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:46:02 -14.95 -173.33 5.0 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 18:40:11 -15.35 -173.30 5.4 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:34:29 -14.87 -172.49 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:29:26 -15.95 -173.23 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:21:42 -16.20 -173.07 5.8 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:08:22 -15.47 -172.09 5.6 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 17:48:19 -15.56 -172.30 8.0 85.4 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 21-SEP-2009 09:30:25 -19.72 -177.53 4.6 401.6 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 63 database rows displayed.

There have been 37 in that region in the last 24 hours the weakest being 4.7 and it doesnt look like they are stopping or weakening. Is this region volcanic because that amount of regular movement could suggest magma moving - i am only guessing.

A lot of aftershocks still happening. DATE LAT LON MAG DEPTH REGION 30-SEP-2009 05:24:51 -15.35 -173.38 5.3 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 04:46:22 -16.35 -172.25 4.8 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 04:03:11 -15.62 -173.35 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 03:18:10 -15.78 -172.77 4.6 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 02:47:27 -15.72 -173.14 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 02:39:08 -16.23 -172.91 4.7 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 02:29:34 -16.62 -173.04 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 01:39:50 -15.48 -173.38 5.1 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 01:30:40 -15.53 -172.58 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 01:16:18 -15.58 -172.04 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 01:09:29 -14.97 -173.61 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 01:05:34 -14.91 -173.24 5.2 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 00:40:52 -15.46 -172.93 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 30-SEP-2009 00:27:53 -15.03 -173.14 4.8 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 00:22:38 -15.38 -173.48 4.9 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 30-SEP-2009 00:11:38 -15.99 -172.24 5.0 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 23:51:43 -15.13 -171.94 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 23:45:03 -15.84 -172.53 5.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 23:32:57 -15.54 -173.32 5.4 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 23:11:51 -15.56 -173.37 5.5 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 22:41:45 -15.20 -172.90 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 22:08:30 -15.35 -173.39 5.1 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 21:51:00 -16.17 -172.53 4.9 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 21:28:56 -17.21 -173.00 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:57:58 -16.07 -173.12 5.2 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:46:02 -14.95 -173.33 5.0 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 18:40:11 -15.35 -173.30 5.4 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:34:29 -14.87 -172.49 5.1 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:29:26 -15.95 -173.23 5.0 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:21:42 -16.20 -173.07 5.8 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 29-SEP-2009 18:08:22 -15.47 -172.09 5.6 10.0 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 29-SEP-2009 17:48:19 -15.56 -172.30 8.0 85.4 SAMOA ISLANDS REGION 21-SEP-2009 09:30:25 -19.72 -177.53 4.6 401.6 FIJI ISLANDS REGION 16-SEP-2009 14:16:09 -15.45 -173.11 4.7 10.0 TONGA ISLANDS 16-SEP-2009 02:14:14 -21.99 -179.83 4.3 587.1 FIJI ISLANDS REGION

It's not the cheapest but Davis gives a lot of felxibility. My website (www.lortonweather.co.uk) is updated every 5 mins by the weatherlink software. The site is based on my own template but Davis auto re-writes elements of the code which has been tagged.

From http://www.solarcycle24.com/ Sunspot 1026 has been quiet and is starting to lose some sunspot area. It now consists of a single sunspot. There has been no flare activity since Tuesday evening except for a tiny B1 micro belch. Sunspot 1027 which formed early Tuesday in the northern hemisphere is stable and is a BETA sunspot group. It has stopped growing and remains about the same size. There will be a chance for B-Class solar flares within the next 24 hours. The solar flux at 1700 UTC was 76.2 which is another record for Cycle 24, beating the previous record of 75 set yesterday. The Sunspot number for Wednesday was 31. That is also a new Cycle 24 record. This is the first time since about 3 months ago that 2 sunspots have appeared at the same time - and they are quite a bit bigger.

I'm reminded of Ortega y Gasset and his thoughts of what he calls "learned ignoramuses". Intelligence may well be something people are born with but it is within the environment of nurture (and experinece of the world) that creates wisdom. You can not be born wise.

You will have to show some very strong evidence to back that statement up.

Thank goodness for that big lump of dirt!

They maybe contentious when you compare one site with another but it makes no difference to trends whether the station is placed on tarmac or grass or is a metal box or wood. They all react and measure the same increase or decrease in temperature relative to their own site. So surely the question that needs to be asked is has the relationship of the station to site changed? If it hasn't where's the problem?

What about all the red dots showing record highs? It's a bit cherry picking to flag only half the data.

No It won't but if the ambient temperature is greater then people will be more inclined to be outdoors and with less covering therefore increasing exposure to the sun and in so doing increasing the risk of skin cancers. So the general claim is correct.

Well we have examples of all types. Nuclear power and set to be at least 2 more maybe 3 additional new sites, we also have windmills along the whole northern edge of the lakes and the north west coast, we also have the huge sea monsters too which are likely to be increased to 200 in number. And all of these are within 50miles of the centre of the lakes. What ever the solution it all seems to be built here anyway!

Going back to albedo for one moment I'm not so sure that urbanisation will have a great effect. There is no doubt locally it will but the proportion of covered land is very small. It has however made think of other possibilities to do with deforestation. A couple of trains of thought... Large forested areas are dark and therefore absorb more heat but does this heat cause more heat transfer due to evaporation of the associated water content - ie does it lead to a net heat reduction. Deforestation opens up land and potentially decreases moisture content - does this allow air to warm more rapidly or does the extra dust cause a reduction in albedo. I don't have the answer afraid - just questions.

As LadyP explained if this turns out to be similar to the 1918 outbreak then the equivalent number of deaths today would be 250 million and most of those deaths would be within the age groups that are active members of society and without them the system would find it difficult to function. That in turn would leave many vulnerable communities/people to fend for themselves leading to yet more deaths. Complacency tinged with cynicism is not helpful and I think you will find the 'hysteria' is remarkably calm and controlled.

The new information about the death does lower the concern a little as for all intents and purposes it's another Mexican death so the pattern as yet has not changed. The Spanish development has raised the probability that the threat level is raised to 5.

It appears that the deaths from Swine flu are no longer confined to Mexico with a 23 month old child dieing in Texas. I suspect we will now see a shift in the tone being used by the authorities. The theory that the deaths only being confined to Mexico was possibly due to lack of early access to Tamiflu but I presume that would not be the case in the US, unless it is unsuitable for young children - anybody know if Tamiflu can be taken intravenously?

Mag 6 quake near Mexico City.

Were the dust storms in the US in the 30's large enough to have any effect? Did other areas of the world suffer greater drought that caused an increase in particulate release. Deforestation and fires could have the same effect - maybe.

You may be right but if decisions as to what theory is to be believed are to be taken then both sides of the argument should be taken into account and a simple decision made on the weight of evidence suggests very strongly that your hypothesis is incorrect. Simply put your hypothesis is supported only by a minority of climate experts.