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41 snow patches made it through in the Highlands in 2000/1 and I think only two the following year. One, the most reliable Garbh Coire Mor on Braeriach survived through in 2004/5.
There were only a handful of years in the twentieth century that none survived.
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there is still big patches of snow on the north face of ben nevis, and i think there not going to melt before winter comes back, this is very rare,... ?!?
in scotland we did not have a great snow fall but yet big patches still exsit.
is this because of the very cool summer we have had
and dose any one know when the last time year round snow exsited??
steve Hammond
Steve
See the Scottish mountain snow patches thread below for your answer.
Nor.
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West Linton in the Scottish Borders has been mentioned in Britweather years a few times and was the coldest in the early 20th Century on two or three occasions. I was surprised to see Perth as the coldest in one year.
Does Dalwhinnie still have a weather station? I haven't seen anything from there for some time. Having worked up there one Winter in the late seventies I can confirm that it can get pretty cold.
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How many snow patchs have made through to autumn?
There are still patches on Macdui and Braeriach though the Ciste Mhearaidh by Cairngorm has broken up and won't last.
Some still in the West in the Nevis range also. There are one or two others who read this will have a more accurate picture as to how many there are altogether and where they are. -
I've been over the last two months so time for a change.
13.7C for me.
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I think I'd be right in saying that the only time we had the rain-snow that winter was at the very start of the severe period in late December, when three or four warm fronts stacked up and pushed north. I still recall, even on Boxing Day I think, Michael Fish predicting that the warm air would probably win the battle.
Most of the other events (and I'd beg to differ with the Eye's suggestion of two main blizzards, there were five decent events that winter, any of which on their own would have sttod very proud in a typical winter) were characterised by warm fronts banging into polar or arctic air - it was not unusual, therefore, for the snow to turn to rain further south; it's also the case that not every even made it up to Scotland. I suspect that Central Northern England very much got the brunt of it that winter, invariably being far enough north to stay pole-side of the polar boundary, but not so far north that the precipitation didn't reach. The additional point, further to Mr D's very good write up, is that we had another severe event mid-March. In those days March most definitely was a winter month.
From my weather records I can confirm that not all the systems made it up to Scotland. For example during the blizzards that hit much of England around the 15th of February we only had snow showers and a severe frost. [i was unlucky or lucky enough to be travelling to London from Pitlochry by train overnight on the fourteenth {5 hours late} for an interview and returned the following night 12 hours late]. The Company Director due to interview me did not make it in from Herts that morning.]
However the milder interludes also did not make it up as far as us so as a consequence what snow there was lay for long periods. Snow was on the ground from the first week of January until the end of Feb and then came back for a couple of weeks in Mid March. Incidentally despite the duration of the snow cover it was never that deep with a max oif 9-10 inches. This was a lot less than in other winters of that era such as 1978 and 1984. Reading this thread has brought back happy memories though.
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It doesn't lok as if it is going to get hot with the high to the West so coolish nights away from the coast will keep the CET down. Now looking likely for two CET area months in a row below average and 3 in a row in the North East and Eastern Scotland.
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Hi Cookie
Though I have not visited Lewis for a few years my father is from Ness and while my Gran was alive I used to visit regularly and indeed lived there for a couple of years as a toddler. I have/had relatives in Bragar, Tolsta, Carloway and Point as well as Stornoway so got to know the Island quite well. From my memory and checking of midday temps from the newspaper out of interest i think that a shade temp of 25C is rare in the Outer Hebridies. The sea if ** freezing too from memory. To compensate for the lack of heat though you cannot beat the clear, bracing Atlantic air up there. Even an insomniac like my wife sleeps like a log when we visit.
Regards
Nor.
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I didn't know Aberdeen's average was once as high as 31 days per year in the 1990s- that's quite amazing! I actually have the Weather Logs with Dyce data going back to 1993 now but hadn't checked the annual snow cover frequency before 1999.
TWS
Sorry if I mislead.
My figures for Dyce only went up to 1996 so the average for the whole decade may well be somewhat lower.
Nor.
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I have seen some data of snow lying days from official Met o sites albeit from the nineties that would indicate that Aberdeen is indeed the snowiest city in the Uk and probably by some distance. In those years Aberdeen [Dyce] was averaging 31 snow lying days using the measure of > 50% open ground being covered at 0900 hours. This was almost twice what the next Scottish city, Dundee had, and more than double Edinburgh, Glasgow and Inverness. The only data I could find in England was for major cities with Manchester showing around 9 on average, Birmingham 11/12 and London 6. I have not seen any data for Sheffield but I would think it unlikely it would come anywhere near Aberdeen's record despite having a bit of altitude.
ps For those in other threads who thought Dundee was snow desert [true last year] the data for here came from a site in the less snowy East of the city and another site to the South West by the river. The Northern and North Western parts of Dundee usually have substantially more snow lying days.
To put Aberdeen's data in perspective in the same years Braemar helped by altitude officially averaged over 60 days snow lying and my own home area in Highland Perthshire averaged 40 at a relatively low level but surrounded by hills in the same years.
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I was just wondering actually, what is the furthest north (in the UK) that 30C has been recorded? Possibilities I can find are Perth 32C on 12 July 1911, and Braemar allegedly 30C (but is that rounded up?) on 8th July 1976. Also another reported 30Cs at Onich, Glenlee (lots of places with that name, if it's the Angus one it's in with a chance) in July 1977, and Aberfeldy 30.3C 11 July 2005.
Having experienced temps in the mid-to-high 20s in NW Scotland in April 2003, with similar conditions in midsummer I would think 30 shouldn't be too hard to manage, but the magic 30 seems very elusive anywhere north of Glasgow at any time of year.
Onich is just South of Fort William near Glencoe and is slightly further North on the West side than Aberfeldy in Highland Perthshire which is 30 miles North West of Perth. The Glenlee mentioned is in Dumfries & Galloway so if Braemar's is rounded up Onich gets it, assuming it is not rounded up also.
I would quite like them both to be rounded up as Aberfeldy is the area I grew up in and it would be nice to have a record.
I was surprised that nowhere else in the Fort William area or up in the Inverewe area has reached the 30C as it can get pretty hot there given the right conditions. Skye in the Inner Hebridies can be warm also.
In some rare [admittedly colder] Summers I think the warmest UK temps have been recorded in the North West of Scotland but in the range of 28/29 degrees.
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We've had discussions re. snow patches before about how cool zonal winters (e.g. 1983/84, 1993/94) have historically led to high snow patch retention in Scotland, and even so for relatively mild zonal winters. 1999/2000 was a particularly good example- I remember a member of N-W reporting that upland Norway had a very snowy winter, while 41 Scottish snow patches lasted through to winter 2000/01 (according to the Weather magazine). In contrast, some notably snowy non-westerly winters, such as 1995/96 and 2000/01, have been followed by low snow patch retention.
Maybe the same could also apply to a lesser extent to 2006/07. Yes it was a very mild winter, but the frequent Atlantic systems probably gave some heavy blowing snow high up- more so than in 2004/05 and 2005/06 which were cooler, but also dry.
Still, I think we'll struggle to have more than about five snow patches remain. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say three patches will survive through to 2007/08, but as others have said, all hinges on the outcome of August and September, and maybe October if we get another warm one like the last two.
I think that the reason some cooler, snowier winters have poor snow patch retention is that the main blizzards have come from the East / North East as in Feb March 2001 thus piling up the snow on the South West slopes where the sun soon gets rid of it. The zonal winters tend to pile up the drifts on the Eastern side so they are less exposed to both the sun and the prevailing wind and rain.
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13.7C. Heavy rain. About half an inch in last hour. I did wonder until about 10pm why the Met O had a severe weather warning out for Eastern Scotland tonight. Now I know.
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Rain at just over 13C.
Is it really as high as the upper twenties as far North Yorks? Feels like Autumn here with the central heating coming on this afternoon. Colder now than it was at its lowest in any of the last two nights.
30C
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A mildish 17.3 as the Azores High makes a belated appearance at least for part of the Month.
Rainfall to be average or slightly below, certainly nothing like the deluges of the last few weeks.
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i agree, i think 2007 is almost certainly a blip, and that it will be buisiness as ususal next year, the thing is that we dont have seasons now, we have 'months' of weather, alternating between zonal trains of lows and a flat jet and extreme heat and a euro high, we can no longer guarentee that winter will be cold or that summer will be hot.
Joe
I don't think that we could ever guarantee a cold Winter or a hot Summer. The nearest in my lifetime for Winter would be the the late eighties after almost ten years of mostly cold Winters and look what happened in 88 and 89. For Summers the best guarantee of hot would be now and look what is happening this year. The weather is always unpredictable though there are trends such as to warmer overall as is the case now.
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Just noticed this topic having come in after discussing the rate of graas growth with a neighbour. Usually we are quite late in starting growth but from late April through to mid June the grass grows quickly. This year perhaps because of the dry April it has been slow all through Spring and early Summer. However the last couple of weeks have had growth such as I would normally expect in May with my back lawn needing cut more than once a week. The problem now is getting a dry day to do it.
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Great pics, amazing to think they were taken in high summer
In early July the patches there are usually much larger than those shown this year [though I have not been upo there in the last couple of years]. This year from what I have seen there are fewer and smaller snow patches about throughout the Highlands.
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16.5C. Brief sunny ints and heavy showers. One flash of lightning in last shower. 995MBs and 55% humidity.
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30.0C. You should be so lucky. I haven't hit 20.0C this year. 19.8 on the 15th April being my warmest temperature recorded in 2007. I am certain that this is the first time since I began weather watching that I have reached July without a 70F.
July has not started any better with rain AM turning to heavy showers in the afternoon.
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Temperatures up to 13.8 but some heavy showers now around. So far nothing like yesterdays hailstorms accompanied by a funnel cloud. :lol:
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A bit far off for a LR forecast but here goes.
Aberdeen: Last week of November from a Northerly.
Inverness: Very sheltered here so lthird week in December.
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Looks a possibilty that April will be sunnier than June for England and Wales. The last occasion was 2002.
Just an outside chance that March could be sunnier than June. The last occasion that happened was 1990
For Eastern Scotland and perhaps NE England April being sunnier than June is looking almost a certainty now. There is an outside possibility that April may also be warmer than June in the most Easterly parts of the North
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Rare overnight thunderstorm here lasting for about three hours with some torrential downpours. Power was cut for a while and there was some local flooding. Most lightning was just to the South of me but then came overhead later.
Some still in the West in the Nevis range also. There are one or two others who read this will have a more accurate picture as to how many there are altogether and where they are.
Saturday 15th September 2007
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10.3C here with light rain. Feeling cold again.
Pressure 1018mbs
Humidity 54%
Min last night 3.2C