NorthernRab

At least we know we're fairly pathetic yet still stand by our team, unlike our southern neighbours with their dillusions of grandeur, who show a shocking lack of respect for their national side at times So mild in Glasgow! Wore my winter jacket still but didn't zip it up it was so balmy, like they do in the magazines - back up to Inverness tomorrow afternoon, can't wait!

I know you didn't, I was just filling in the gaps of what you chose to leave out for you Any potentially cold certainly looks like coming from the north rather than the east at the moment (I find a good way of checking this is by comparing the Highlands GEFS T850s to the Aberdeenshire GEFS T850s), but there's a period of changeable and unsettled weather to come, especially for Scotland where it will switch between quite cold and really rather mild.

So now you think there's a correlation between the Stratosphere and your even larger teapot theory?

My granny often says how Inverness would get cut off from the rest of the world for days or even weeks if it was a particularly bad spell of cold, now I see why!

I'd rather you specified who "we" is referring to - there will be a fairly cold zonal blast for some around the 23rd / 24th so it's not all mild for the next week. A period of zonal and very changeable weather coming up for the next 5 days or so, especially over Scotland / N.Ireland and parts of North England, where the weather will alternate between really quite blustery, damp, fairly mild weather (although feeling a lot colder in the wind) and colder weather with sleet and snow showers (feeling cold in any wind). More settled towards the SE of England, although temperatures could be supressed at night where there is little wind. Thereafter, very much anyone's guess at the moment, very little agreement. Keep an eye on the 28 / 29th for a possible Northerly, far too far out for now though.

First of, I never said the 12z was anything but a very mild run, what I said was that there's nothing solid pointing towards 2 weeks of such weather (there never is for any weather in the UK) - and the ensembles do suggest a cool down, nothing more. Indeed, this mess of confusion and lack of agreement supports my point entirely, any one talking of two weeks of mild weather at this stage is being extremely hasty and arguably foolish.

I'm struggling to see where you're getting two weeks of very mild temperatures from? The GFS Ensembles suggest a cool down next week, with wintry showers for some - even the GFS 12hz would see temperatures supressed under any cloud, especially in the NW, whereas in the SE temperatures could fall away quite readily in clear spells as pressure is quite high at times. The lengthening days certainly won't make any difference until well into February anyway.

Or alternatively maybe I'll come back in a few days time? The only logic behind your statement would be that the pattern is very difficult to shift, but how can something be very difficult to shift if it hasn't yet come into existence? There is no Barlet High currently nor does it look particularly likely that there will be, only an area of high Pressure to the south of England over mainland Europe.

Honestly judging by the Model Output Discussion thread some people just appear to be idiots - the way some people talk as though mild temperatures are nailed on until January is pathetic. What is the craic with the collective amnesia on that thread?! Can no one remember just two weeks ago when we were told that the first two weeks of December would be a "blowtorch" south westerly? It's more dramatic than the theater in that thread, unbelievable.

You'd never think from that doom and gloom in the model threads that Highland Scotland could see temperatures down towards -16'C / -17'C by the end of the week!

See where it says "Preferences" just under everyone's avatar / location etc. Why don't we automatically replace those with the words "mild, no snow" with the words "trolololol" and be done with it?

I'd rather FI was showing mild weather for the run up to Christmas in comparison to cold, seeing as the opposite tends to happen anyway! Anyway, looking just slightly outside the reliable time frame (Thursday / Friday into the weekend), it's looking actually quite good for cold fans and there's also something in the offering tomorrow when the cold sector moves in - not too bad for the "blowtorch" weather we were promised for the first two weeks of December!

I hadn't realised that Scotland had left the United Kingdom, most especially the Scottish Highlands? I'm of course joking, but the 06z would potentially deliver some great snowfalls for Highland Scotland.

The way I see is it is no matter what, the weather will do what it wants, so you might as well enjoy whatever it throws at you.

Don't be daft, it's entirely relevant - he's pointing out that of course the pressure will rise after the storm.

You'll be missing old Inbhir Nis Pete

I would certainly say that for now the main risk of heavy snow would be across NW Highland, as is normally the case with low pressure systems dragging cold air form the North. There could potentially be some very deep snow:

Yes the warm up hasn't seemed to reach the Central Highlands yet, with this in mind it's actually been a pretty cold December so far!

Apologies for pushing down the tone of the whole thing a bit - had dozed off and was not in the mood to wake up to small racist rants

We've got some really quite considerably heavy snow from Inverness to Ullapool at the moment, really throwing it down.

Very well spotted GWW! potential for Northern Isles / Highland and Moray if you're I'd imagine

It did.

Snow has return to the Highland capital

Looking fairly blustery and snowy on the webcam there GWW - good day for a warm drink inside! Beginning to cloud over here and precipitation should arrive quite soon.

Wow, Lossiemouth reporting a dew point of -7'C!