NorthernRab

Inverness is the main transport hub for 400,000 people. So yes, it can. You can talk a whole lot of rubbish sometimes Yeti. There's perception and then there's denying everyday fact, seems very pig-headed to me - and I still think it's plausable that Inverness could be the coldest city, but for lack of data for the city itself.

Och, I miss it already and I've only been gone 1 week

...I did go a little over the top with them

Beautiful winter scenes here in Inverness, I'll post the one dodgy picture I was able to take as my camera ran out of battery later on. Current temperature in Inverness: -7'C, having risen from -8'C. Not expecting it to get much above -4'C.

I'm merely arguing that it doesn't matter what he 'felt' it was like. Whether a city is a city is a question of fact, not feeling. Of course Yeti can 'feel' like it was a town, but then he could also 'feel' like the world is a cube, it doesn't make it right. I'm simply 'defending' fact.

Still -7'C at the moment, might not get above -5'C today. Looking forward to tonight, despite the fact that I'm going to a ceilidh and as a smoker, I'll have to go outside - hopefully some very low temperatures tonight. I really want to see a temperature beating last year's low of -13'C. Aberdeen seems to be the coldest then. It should be noted however that Nairn is somewhat warmer than Inverness as it is more coastal (for want of a better expression). I'm still disappointed at Inverness's's's's's's lack of a proper weather station, an issue that needs to be addressed, I feel.

How did it feel like a town? Did you rub the letters patent? No, you looked at how many people were round you and how busy the streets were. Either way, you've said it now. Like I've said, it's inconsequential whether you believe it to be a city or not, and Leeds is not the coldest city (even in England).

Very foggy in Inverness, -6.8'C 1032mb 3mph SW wind. ...oh hello Pete, another Invernesian Cold here eh? I'm expecting colder tonight, think this fog is going to hang around all day again. Yesterday at daytime max of -4'C was freezing!

Hold on! Haha, I'm certainly not dismissing Leeds as a city, because without a shadow of a doubt it is one! I was illustrating the point that you cannot COMPARE to determine whether a settlement is a city or not, it's simply a question of fact. Yeti argued that it is population that makes a city a city, my point was that in comparing the population of Leeds to world cities such as Tokyo, New York, Beijing, London, Moscow, one could falsely assume that Leeds isn't a city because it doesn't compare. This is of course absolutely wrong, and my example was to illustrate how this form of thinking was wrong. Both Leeds and Inverness are cities, that much we can agree on. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I have been to Leeds, nice place As a small aside, Inverness could soon have world heritage status, with Loch Ness being considered. (woop woop for tourism )

No, it has no statutory boundaries. Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverness As a law student, I can tell you that there is a world of difference between what it is theoretically possible in the law and what is put into practice. English law is quite different from Scottish law. Also, Yeti, have you ever even been to Inverness? Whether you regard it as a city or not is inconsequential I'm afraid. It's a question of fact, not individual perception. If I was to judge cities on a world level, I certainly would not regard Leeds as one, even though you've classified it so. A city is a cluster of the population in an important economic and social centre, which is what Inverness is.

Yeti, no matter how many times you say it isn't, Inverness is a city. If you look at the hinterland of Inverness, you'll find its population is closer to around the 120,000 mark. Inverness has no statutory boundaries.

Perth was officially a city to only recently, but I guess it can no longer be counted - I could've really gone over board an included 'the City of Elgin' . Yeti, this isn't a competition, there is no 'we'. Either way, no English city is colder than Inverness, Aberdeen or Dundee, imo.

Actually, no it doesn't. Common misconception. It can allow temperatures in that area to hang around, creating a microclimate in high pressure set-ups. http://www.xcweather.co.uk/ Take a look at the temperature map over the next few nights and you will see exactly what I mean, the Moray Firth and the Great Glen will create a cold pool. Do we? Our largest and most influential settlements make up our cities, makes sense to me? I was discussing that earlier, the airport is a fair bit away from the city, more costal and at sea-level. If anyone has been to Inverness, they'll know that as soon as you go south of the city centre, the rest of the city is on a high elevation: Crown, Drakies, Culloden, Milton of Leyes, Smithton, Drummond, etc etc. Inverness needs a weather station itself, but I suppose that's definitely a seperate issue. No, Perth and Stirling are not costal. Inverness isn't properly costal either. ...and really? Glasgow isn't what you'd call a costal city either.

Dundee is third coldest in Scotland, after Aberdeen and Inverness by about 1'C. It's daytime max is a bit higher. Good snow events in the old Dundee occasionally though! :lol:

I agree that Leeds is probably the coldest in England. I just find it frustrating that Inverness has to cope with a lack of sound meteorological data :lol:

Everyone knows Braemar is colder than Aviemore :lol: , however one thing which is rarely mentioned is that Carrbridge is colder than Aviemore and is only 10 miles away. You haven't supplied any sources for Inverness though. In fairness, they are very difficult to come by. Inverness is surely colder than Leeds, like I've said, the collection of data for Inverness is very poor. All the same, Edinburgh could currently be considered the coldest.

^ Colder in Inverness over this period. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0016 Just look at Aviemore though! (not a city) http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=3077

Inverness is indeed a city, the most northern in the UK. The interesting thing about Inverness is the variation, most of the temperatures for Inverness are taken from Dalcross, the airport, which in my opinion makes them completely useless. Dalcross is quite a bit away from Inverness, is low-lying (Inverness is only a 1/3 at sea-level). I just seems that pools of very cold air form in the Great Glen and can really hang around. It should also be taken into consideration that most of the population lives in Culloden, Smithton, Crown, Drakies, Milton of Leyes, all of which are a good deal colder than the centre. Leeds January average is 7'C for high and 3'C for low.

We've certainly fully discussed what is the UK's snowiest city (Aberdeen), but what is the UK's (And England, Wales, N.Ireland individually) coldest city? I'm guessing either Inverness or Aberdeen, but although Aberdeen is the snowiest by quite a bit, my money is on Inverness for general night time low temperatures and frost etc. Edinburgh is a posibility also.

I agree with your post in model output discussion thread that it will be a case of micro-climates. As an aside, do models take into account anomalies such as the Cheshire Gap?

Not sure why, probably variation of locations, pools of cold air can form I'm hoping for....-11'C, bit lower maybe? We'll see , hope this winter beats last winter's -14'c

-7'C here, at only six O'clock! 2mph wind, 1040mb. Very cold out there, expecting it to dip even lower by quite a bit tonight. Whenever these high pressure set-ups occur, Inverness seems to get caught in a pool of very cold air. I refer mainly to the period of around 16th Dec - 23rd Dec 07 in which a similar set-up saw Inverness dip to around -14'C. Perhaps a pool of cold air forms around the Great Glen and towards the south of the highlands? Edit: Dew point -7'C too, hopefully a very hard frost through the night!

Freezing fog. -2'C daytime max, cold day. 6mph SW wind. 1040mb Hard frost tonight no doubt!

Are you insinuating that these changes are automatically caused by man? Because natural climat change is obviously very common throughout history and is certainly very varied in its nature. Why should we assume that if the climate change we see today is different from climate change of the past then it is automatically our doing?

Just had the heaviest snow I have seen in a long time in Inverness, massive snowfalkes, about 1.75 inches across!