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  1. Couple of charts from an 18z 3km GFS init run. The model appears to destabilise the edge of the plume again, its been fairly consistent with this approach recently but its no more accurate than any other deterministic model run. It does put a bullseye over central southern areas at midnight - make of that how you will  :D Note the big 'bite' missing from the northern edge of the elevated instability, this is likely to be where the storm is eating into the instability and it appears to ride along this moving north east out towards the Wash area. The supercell composite parameter is almost off the scale, though that could well be skewed as its a composite of a few different parameters and its also a fixed layer (not effective layer).

     

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    Interesting to see that there is still disagreement between some of the higher res GFS models...Something, somewhere would be my guess  :unsure2:

     

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  2. I've only got 2KM and 5KM and they both look pants lol. Where can I access those charts?

     

    There are a few other free to access WRF's

     

    ManUniCast 4km http://manunicast.seaes.manchester.ac.uk/index.php

    ModellZentralle 12 & 4km (just about covers south east England) http://www.modellzentrale.de/

    RipWRF 3km https://ripwrf.info (this is my own project which has been in development for about a year)

     

    All ARW cores initialised from GFS (as are the NMM's at Meteociel/Netweather etc)

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  3. Couple of charts from some of the other WRF-ARW convection allowing models... The 3km ripWRF output for the overnight hours appears to destabilise the edge of the plume later this evening with elevated convection moving north-east from the Midlands.

     

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    Decent signal on the max integrated column graupel product - suggestive of hail (n.b max possible value)

     

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    The ManUniCast 4km WRF also looks quite similar with its simulated reflectivity, though both models are initiated from the GFS (different physics schemes however) - if thats wrong, well, these may well be too!

     

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  4. isn't the WRF model part of the NMM suite?......memory is hazy but it used to be on meteoceil (haven't checked in ages TBH)

    Or drizzle     :ninja:

     

    Not exactly, the WRF model has two core resolvers available, one of which is the NMM core, the other the ARW core. The NMM core is favoured by some as its generally a lot quicker to run when compared to the ARW core, useful if your forecasts are time sensitive etc. The ARW might be considered to be more accurate but it can be slower to run. The US HRRR model uses the WRF with the ARW core, I think Meteociel use the WRF with the NMM core, last time I used the Netweather high res suite, that was using the NMM core. They are all run independently of each other and can all be ran with different physics options/at different resolutions/nests-no nests (the ARW core actually has a lot more options in this regard) and might not all necessarily 'agree'. Getting a bit off topic now but I never know which particular model people are referring to when they mention the NMM/WRF etc...could be one of many!

     

    Bit more info from the WRF site http://www.wrf-model.org/index.php

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  5. The WRF looks remarkably like the 6z GFS - though if the time mark at the bottom of the chart is GMT or c.European (today at circa 5:30pm) then it'd be more recent that 12z GFS.

     

    My guess would be that's a model initialised from the GFS, the site is a bit sparse with regards model setup and configuration etc, though its free to access so can only assume its using GFS. Unless they have deep pockets to use the ECMWF data...who knows.

     

    If its GFS data, then that's not available for a WRF to initialise until approx. 4 hours after the GFS run (e.g 16z for the 12z GFS). The current charts on their site could well be run from the 12z GFS, it just takes that long for their model to run after the GFS data becomes available.

  6. The WRF model is looking similar to the GFS 6z for Friday with big thunderstorms over the SE third of the UK. 

     

    Out of interest, which WRF variant are you referring to? Most of the WRF's are run at the mesocale with their initial and boundary conditions coming from a global model, such as the GFS. If its a model initialised from the GFS then its not unusual for the WRF to have similar output - depending on model resolution, physics etc. 

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    What the flipping **** is happening?!? Stayed up until a few hours ago and it was gusting nicely- really windy. Just woken now by noise of wind through gap in window that was so loud my cats ran under fled and I nearly jumped from my skin. Suddenly winds got so so so strong that in a few seconds my garden is wrecked! Ok, so I was to young to remember 87 storm, and I didn't live in SW during Burns day storm, but I have never seen anything like it. Shed roof coming off, massive heavy gas bbq lying in bits having been flung accross garden, and my wind anemometer just gone! Dashed out to grab bits of bbq and stop them flying about and I am still shaking. Winds still really blowing but not like they just did for a couple of mins. Wind seems.roughly north now too. Wow.

     

    Was that a surge or something??

     

     

    Probably the cold front passing through. Surface obs show a wind shift to the North West. Note the temperature drop across the south west as well.

  8. 5 Storms this morning, 3 largeish ones to the West all training between Basildon and East London and a few clippers up the coast that have been grumbling away, all of them elevated but very pretty, lots of Cg's observed and rapid intensification from Alt Cas to Storm in a matter of 15 minutes.

     

    Like Dan some pictures from this morning.

     

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    Not been a bad morning - who moved Essex overnight!

  9. Forecast soundings do show the elevated instability quite nicely. I would take a guess that a combination of the high 850 theta-e values and some weak height falls from the west (WRF-12K shows this heading east this evening) are generating a little (elevated) instability? I can't really make out much more forcing for anything other than that. It looks as though most of the country is under the convergent side of the jet as well.

     

    Satellite analysis shows, what must now be, elevated lapse rates. All a bit weak perhaps?

     

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    Just a thought, but I'm unsure if any of that is actually accurate!

     

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