Antarctic Ice Discussion

[BornFromTheVoid]

A few days ago new record set http://www.forbes.co...another-record/, Continued growth of sea ice for 33yrs http://arctic.atmos.....antarctic.pngm

When you read this about the author, James Taylor...

I am senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute

...you can predict with a surprising degree of accuracy the tone, sources and fallacies that are going to appear.

Anywho, when he learns the difference between sea ice and ice shelves, report back and I might reconsider my opinion on him...

Edited September 26, 2012 by BornFromTheVoid

[stewfox]

A few days ago new record set http://www.forbes.co...another-record/, Continued growth of sea ice for 33yrs http://arctic.atmos.....antarctic.pngm

This is what jumps out.

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Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record.

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Its very sad for the scientific community

[Gowon]

When you read this about the author, James Taylor...

...you can predict with a surprising degree of accuracy the tone, sources and fallacies that are going to appear.

Anywho, when he learns the difference between sea ice and ice shelves, report back and I might reconsider my opinion on him...

But he is right regarding the lack of coverage of the Antartic in the mainstream media... you can't just shrug it off by saying it's only sea ice...it's setting new records for Pete's sake.

[BornFromTheVoid]

But he is right regarding the lack of coverage of the Antartic in the mainstream media... you can't just shrug it off by saying it's only sea ice...it's setting new records for Pete's sake.

I'll have to refer you to my last post, just above yours

[Methuselah]

But he is right regarding the lack of coverage of the Antartic in the mainstream media... you can't just shrug it off by saying it's only sea ice...it's setting new records for Pete's sake.

Oi! You can leave me out of it!

[Gowon]

I'll have to refer you to my last post, just above yours

Im talking about on the television not the internet. You always hear about how bad the Arctic is on telly but we never see any report on telly regarding the record gains in the Antartic.

Oi! You can leave me out of it!

Forgot your name was pete...

[stewfox]

Not talking about people blogs talking about the media try finding info on any media any out let

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-19658013

Good luck in finding one comment (several videos on artic ice)

No 'debate' here just observation

If the antartica ice extent was at a record low do you not think it wouldn't be on front page of every media outlet.

[keithlucky]

This is what jumps out.

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Indeed, none of the mainstream media are covering this important story. A Google News search of the terms Antarctic, sea ice and record turns up not a single article on the Antarctic sea ice record.

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Its very sad for the scientific community

Yes good point they only want to print scaremongering articles thats what the link was saying.

[Methuselah]

Right guys, calm down!

For the past 3 months' the state of the Arctic has hardly been out of the news - the whole world knows about it! But, as for the Antarctic, give it time. It'll not be long before the whole world knows about that too...

After all, this is a weather site; we are bound to latch-on sooner?

[keithlucky]

Antartic gained 140,000 km"2 overnight sixth highest ever recorded another day like today and all records will be broken

arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.south.anom.1979-2008

[BornFromTheVoid]

Im talking about on the television not the internet. You always hear about how bad the Arctic is on telly but we never see any report on telly regarding the record gains in the Antartic.

That's not what the Forbes write up was about though.

As I said, these are just daily records, not annual. The Arctic has set numerous daily low records that weren't even mentioned on here, let alone on TV.

The big deal about the Arctic this year is that it's about 50% lower than average, with the volume about 25% of what it was in the 80s.

Even with the Antarctic daily record, the actual difference compared to average is only 7%.

If people want to complain that Antarctic daily records aren't making the headlines, then they should first start by taking the same view with Arctic daily records. Fair is fair.

Also, just to be clear. My now deleted post that mentioned "lies" and "dis-informers" was related to the Heartland Institute, not anyone here!

[Gowon]

That's not what the Forbes write up was about though.

As I said, these are just daily records, not annual. The Arctic has set numerous daily low records that weren't even mentioned on here, let alone on TV.

The big deal about the Arctic this year is that it's about 50% lower than average, with the volume about 25% of what it was in the 80s.

Even with the Antarctic daily record, the actual difference compared to average is only 7%.

If people want to complain that Antarctic daily records aren't making the headlines, then they should first start by taking the same view with Arctic daily records. Fair is fair.

Also, just to be clear. My now deleted post that mentioned "lies" and "dis-informers" was related to the Heartland Institute, not anyone here!

I'd just like to receive an unbiased report whenever they bring up the issue... Edited September 26, 2012 by Seselwa

[BornFromTheVoid]

I'd just like to receive an unbiased report whenever they bring up the issue...

To do that, best thing is to look at the data yourself. It's all freely available on the internet.

I think we'd all love to see unbiased reporting of climate change and issues such as this. Something we can all agree on

[Gowon]

Right guys, calm down!

For the past 3 months' the state of the Arctic has hardly been out of the news - the whole world knows about it! But, as for the Antarctic, give it time. It'll not be long before the whole world knows about that too...

After all, this is a weather site; we are bound to latch-on sooner?

When?...When it starts melting again...

[Methuselah]

I'd just like to receive an unbiased report whenever they bring up the issue...

So go to the proper science institutes?

[Nights King]

When is the average maximum set in the antarctic roughly?

I always thought it would be around same time as the artic bottoms out? Is it likely to grow any more so late?

Edited September 26, 2012 by mullender83

[Gowon]

So go to the proper science institutes?

I'm talking more for everyone that watches the telly, the people that don't know the fact that Antartic is gaining ice...(not us weather folks that look at every graphs or records) the fact that if they report what is happening in the Antartic, peolple might start to doubt how accurate they are about their predictions...look at this for example "Most model predictions have sea ice declining less fast. Will a model ever be able to model mother nature?

[BornFromTheVoid]

When is the average maximum set in the antarctic roughly?

I always thought it would be around same time as the artic bottoms out? Is it likely to grow any more so late?

On average, the southern max area occurs 3 days ago. The minimum Arctic area occurs on average little over 2 weeks ago.

I'm talking more for everyone that watches the telly, the people that don't know the fact that Antartic is gaining ice...(not us weather folks that look at every graphs or records) the fact that if they report what is happening in the Antartic, peolple might start to doubt how accurate they are about their predictions...look at this for example "Most model predictions have sea ice declining less fast. Will a model ever be able to model mother nature?

Lets look at it this way. With all the flooding and wind going on in parts of the UK, should I complain that nobody is covering the fact that parts of southern Ireland are having one of the driest Septembers on record?

You cover what matters. The Arctic sea ice loss has been huge and is affecting weather across the hemisphere. The Antarctic sea ice gain trend is very small and isn't really effecting anything.

[Methuselah]

I'm talking more for everyone that watches the telly, the people that don't know the fact that Antartic is gaining ice...(not us weather folks that look at every graphs or records) the fact that if they report what is happening in the Antartic, peolple might start to doubt how accurate they are about their predictions...look at this for example "Most model predictions have sea ice declining less fast. Will a model ever be able to model mother nature?

I cannae really answer that, S. I don't watch television!

[stewfox]

On average, the southern max area occurs 3 days ago. The minimum Arctic area occurs on average little over 2 weeks ago.

Lets look at it this way. With all the flooding and wind going on in parts of the UK, should I complain that nobody is covering the fact that parts of southern Ireland are having one of the driest Septembers on record?

You cover what matters. The Arctic sea ice loss has been huge and is affecting weather across the hemisphere. The Antarctic sea ice gain trend is very small and isn't really effecting anything.

We have no idea what or how ice gains/losses are affecting weather patterns. It would be nice if the BBC had one article on antartica sea ice they dont well apart from recent things like

Antarctica warmth 'unusual, but not unique'

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-19348427

We shouldn't as mentioned need to 'debate' the bias as it clealry exists (all media outlets) .End off. The reasons could be debated but maybe for another thread.

Edited September 26, 2012 by stewfox

[Gowon]

On average, the southern max area occurs 3 days ago. The minimum Arctic area occurs on average little over 2 weeks ago.

Lets look at it this way. With all the flooding and wind going on in parts of the UK, should I complain that nobody is covering the fact that parts of southern Ireland are having one of the driest Septembers on record?

You cover what matters. The Arctic sea ice loss has been huge and is affecting weather across the hemisphere. The Antarctic sea ice gain trend is very small and isn't really effecting anything.

Southern Ireland's lack of ppn isn't that important

[Methuselah]

Southern Ireland's lack of ppn isn't that important

Well Antarctica, being enclosed by the Circumpolar Current, may not be that important either?

[Pennine Ten Foot Drifts]

You're possibly right re. media bias etc, and right that if it's needed it'd be better in a new thread. However, there is clear and obvious 'bias' between the importance/significance of what's happening in the Arctic (major significant long term dramatic changes to the whole dynamic of the region), and the Antarctic (slight variation around a generally static long term mean). So in some ways it's hardly surprising the Arctic news is getting more coverage than the Antarctic. It's like two car accidents, one a major pile-up involving much destruction, and the other a minor prang which caused a small dent - and we know which of these two would make headline news.

[BornFromTheVoid]

Southern Ireland's lack of ppn isn't that important

Exactly!

[Gowon]

Well Antarctica, being enclosed by the Circumpolar Current, may not be that important either?

No...only that it continues to grow despite AGW... as you mentioned earlier, we'll be hearing about it when it starts melting long term.