Maui - Hawaii Wildfires

[weatherobsuk]

At least six people have been killed in "unprecedented" wildfires that are raging across Hawaii's Big Island and Maui, officials confirmed. Hawaii Gov. Josh Green said much of the town of Lahaina is destroyed and hundreds of families have been displaced.

Live Updates: https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/maui-wildfires-08-09-23/index.html

 

[SnowBear]

Interesting to note this paragraph from a BBC article on the wildfires.. 

Scientists also note that some parts of the Hawaiian islands are covered with non-native grasses that are more flammable than native plants.

The native plants there have no doubt evolved with fire from the volcanoes, we introduce ones which haven't...

 

What caused the Hawaii wildfires?

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What sparked the fires is still a mystery, but a mix of wind and dry weather helped the flames spread.

 

[markyo]

The main driver for these fires is without doubt heat, that is the main factor in generating the wind and altering rain fall patterns. Nature soaks the land with fuel, mankind lives on the land, the more fuel the more intense the fires, its only a matter of time before one starts.

[Freeze]

It always seems to be small islands on fire recently, rhodes, scicily and now maui..

[markyo]

10 minutes ago, Freeze said:

It always seems to be small islands on fire recently, rhodes, scicily and now maui..

The higher heat levels will produce more wind due to the temp difference with the surrounding water

[Methuselah]

3 hours ago, SnowBear said:

Interesting to note this paragraph from a BBC article on the wildfires.. 

Scientists also note that some parts of the Hawaiian islands are covered with non-native grasses that are more flammable than native plants.

The native plants there have no doubt evolved with fire from the volcanoes, we introduce ones which haven't...

 

What caused the Hawaii wildfires?

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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What sparked the fires is still a mystery, but a mix of wind and dry weather helped the flames spread.

 

Sugar cane being #1. But that's been there for more than a century. 

[matty40s]

 

[weatherobsuk]

Unfortunately 93 are known to have perished, with the total expected to rise further.

Maui fire: 93 killed as governor warns of 'significant' death toll rise

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Ninety-three people have been killed and hundreds are unaccounted for days after fires broke out in Hawaii.

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by toggerobz

[Scuba steve]

9 minutes ago, toggerobz said:

Unfortunately 93 are known to have perished, with the total expected to rise further.

Maui fire: 93 killed as governor warns of 'significant' death toll rise

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Ninety-three people have been killed and hundreds are unaccounted for days after fires broke out in Hawaii.

 

Visited Maui in  2003  beautiful place so sad to see those scenes of devastation

[Snowyowl9]

On 11/08/2023 at 08:41, Freeze said:

It always seems to be small islands on fire recently, rhodes, scicily and now maui..

Extremely dangerous situation in Sicily — Wildfire burning meters away from cars driving on Italy highway.

The recent Greek Island fires are most intense in Rhodes and Sicily, where the plate border between Africa and Eurasia gives these islands a glancing blow. Just as Canada was and still is by the looks flaring up again as I speak...There have been fires inland in Turkey and Europe, but only the island fires seem out of control. Why are the islands most affected by the sudden drooping of the Eurasian Plate on the edge of the border with the Africa Plate.

If a plate suddenly loses support on one edge, it is more than a loss of elevation that afflicts the plate edge. Lava emerges in the void that is suddenly opened between the plates. Normally, a spreading plate border will fill with lava which then quickly hardens, similar to a volcano flow. One could equate the hot lava that emerges and rushes to fill the void to having these islands on the brink of a volcano, exposed to the heat. For those who claim arson was in volved, we would point to the plate border that runs along these Greece islands.

Hawaii is at the juncture of 3 of the 4 Pacific Plate sections – the North, East, and West sections. That a sudden compression in the Pacific would cause spontaneous fires in Hawaii should therefore not be a surprise.  

The ground was hot enough to burn tires and the seats of cars, but the treetops were left intact. Such fires also occurred in California and Greece with the same signature. A petrified dog amid the burned out cars on Maui died suddenly from heat shock and became a statue as did the bodies of Pompeii by glassification of ash on its body.

Another Maui? The trees are not burning.

Exclusive you ve heard it from me first..

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/local/oregon/2023/08/11/area-between-salem-and-eugene-of-high-concern-for-fire-danger-oregon-wildfires/70577223007/

A level 3 Go Now evacuation order was issued Sunday night in Lane County. [and from another] https://t.me/GeneralMCNews/5447

Taking a page from the Maui fires - which sprang up quickly from the ground to melt metal and burn tires and consume anything at ground level where the heat was equivalent to the heart of a volcano -  Bedrock quickly issued evacuation orders. As can be seen from the video of Bedrock, it is the rock that is burning, not the pine trees above.  Oregon is subject to the subduction of the Juan de Fuca Plate, causing heat from friction. These are not normal fires and can t be doused, but rather ground fires that must be avoided.

 

[Bristawl Si]

Surely seismometers would've picked up any ground/plate movement?

Reports from Hawaii that downed power lines, from the hurricane, *may* have been the initial cause of the fires.

[Hirudine]

It's amazing the lengths people will go to to avoid entertaining the possibility that they might be part of the problem.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Hirudine

[WeatherArc]

Highly detailed vid by Trey Greenwood documenting how the fires spread and what caused them, well worth a watch. 

 

[Snowyowl9]

EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones | Daily Mail Online

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Maui resident Allisen Medina told DailyMail.com locals have been forced to carry out their own recovery efforts for their missing loved ones amid the slow response from officials in Lahaina.

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones

Locals have been forced to carry out their own search and recovery efforts in the aftermath of the deadly Lahaina wildfires amid the slow response from officials, DailyMail.com has learned 

Maui resident and volunteer Allisen Medina, 24, has also claimed authorities are underplaying the death toll: 'I know there are at least 480 dead here in Maui and I don't understand why they're not saying that'

She said the slow recovery process has led to family members being left to find the charred corpses of their loved ones themselves, including a friend of hers who lost four family members

[weatherobsuk]

Snowyowl9 I've just been reading the same source material from the ground in Maui on another forum and it seems like nobody in charge has any clue how to run things, it's likely that unofficially 480 is the minimum number at this time with some 1100 - 1600 still missing.

[Scuba steve]

1 hour ago, Snowyowl9 said:

EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones | Daily Mail Online

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Maui resident Allisen Medina told DailyMail.com locals have been forced to carry out their own recovery efforts for their missing loved ones amid the slow response from officials in Lahaina.

 

 

EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones

Locals have been forced to carry out their own search and recovery efforts in the aftermath of the deadly Lahaina wildfires amid the slow response from officials, DailyMail.com has learned 

Maui resident and volunteer Allisen Medina, 24, has also claimed authorities are underplaying the death toll: 'I know there are at least 480 dead here in Maui and I don't understand why they're not saying that'

She said the slow recovery process has led to family members being left to find the charred corpses of their loved ones themselves, including a friend of hers who lost four family members

Unfortunately some will never be found completely reduced to carbon with no dna trace

[chilly milly]

That is just horrific.