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see this time last year while we were seeing things happen in the strat before we got a warming kick in did we not see these big huge areas of low pressure as well just they didn't get in properly and stayed in the atlantic.
yeah, we did, in Jan 2013. But they were further west over the North Atlantic. It's like the whole pattern (longwave/Rossby wave) has moved east this winter. Maybe due to the +QBO?
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Its common practice to multiply the sustained wind speed by a factor of 1.5 to 2.0 (depends on the surface roughness) to get the gust speeds. So, 1.5 over the sea to 2 in urban/city area.
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The Braer Storm of January 1993 is the most intense extratropical cyclone on record for the northern Atlantic ocean. Developing as a weak frontal wave on January 8, 1993, the system moved rapidly northeast, developing at a moderate pace. The combination of the absorption of a second low-pressure area to its southeast, a stronger than normal sea surface temperature differential along its path, and the presence of a strong jet stream aloft led to a rapid strengthening of the storm, with its central pressure falling to an estimated 914.0 mb (26.99 inHg) on January 10. Its strength was well predicted by forecasters in the United Kingdom, and warnings were issued before the low initially developed.
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probably, but I meant regarding deepness, ie circa 920mb is comparable with the Braer storm
was it no the storm after the Braer storm, the one that brough the blizzards to Scotland on the 11/12th January 1993; it had min pressure of 914mbar?
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the snow line might go up soon with the winds going to start mixing with stuff further south
it is colder further north. Leuchars is 1C while its 3C in Edinburgh.
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Seem to have been in the sweet spot here for a change. Hasn't stopped for the last couple of hours and still coming down heavy.
Well down here, the earlier wet snow has now turned back to sleet and everything is soaking wet.
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anywhere online to watch the countryfile forecast?
bbci player
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Horizontal, swirly snaw. Big, juicy wet flakes.
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its snowing, not lying.
off again.
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Fresh snow cover above 350m on East Lomond today. Out for a walk earlier, had sleet at 210masl. Sleet down here at 11am.
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Met Office have already issued a Yellow weather warning for Wind on Monday and Tuesday that covers all but the far SE of Scotland (also covers NI and most of the Western UK coastline).
Currently it says
Need to see how it develops over the next few days but that kind of suggests it'll span the two days so when is best to travel will probably depend quite a lot on the location.
Surely the warning ought to be amber at this stage. It looks worse than earlier this week and that caused structural damage. Could be red on Tues.
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The latest Low has been unremarkable here in the east. A gust of 50mph at Leuchars in the early hours. As for the snow, it was a case of blink and you missed it. We have come a long way since the early 90's when these synoptic set-up's produced proper lying snow down to sea-level in the east.
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As the title, Lightning storm with no thunder in West Lothian on 14.12.13, watched this from Polbeth around midnight - 1am (sunday)... at first thought it was a powerline sparking in the distance (till my girlfriend said there are none over that way), but at one point the entire room lit up, so it was real close... it then moved off towards Livingston. All of this happend with not one sound of thunder at all, I was amazed by it, and eventually told to; 'get away from the window and sit down, its late'.Still don't understand it. Weird weekend, saw 4 shooting stars over Friday / Satruday too... same place, but once in Edinburgh. Anyways, anyone else see this, or understand why?
(I saw an old post after a google search that took me here, but post was archieved).
It sounds like the lightning was near the top of the cloud, so the thunder was in audible. Usually, thunder can be heard up to 10km from the storm.
Meanwhile, several people heard loud thunder in my area (I slept through it).
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I've checked my records, the thunderstorm was on the 28th December 1990.
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Again when do Fife witness Thunder during the winter. Hardly ever!!! Surprised the showers have pushed so Far East..
I slept through it. Xmas party goers in Dunfermline were hit by thunder, lightning and hailstones around 12am today. Kirkcaldy had a storm around 12.30am, it lasted 10-15 minutes. My sister heard loud thunder here at 1.10pm.
The last time I can remember a thunderstorm in December in Fife was in 1990. Either 27th or 28th, it rattled through the Clyde-Forth valley around 6pm. A big flash overhead knocked the power out and there was heavy hailstones. A couple of hours later it was snowing and lying.
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Since it's really quiet in here thought this would appropriate time to postIs there any books out there that look at winters of UK/Europe of the past or even books based on the severe winters experienced?
I've got the original book and it is a good read. However, it is full of commentary from south of the border, not much from a Scottish perspective. It doesn't have any synoptic charts to back up the stories.
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Looks like the USA is stealing our cold this year!
Maybe not?
This is what happened in December 1983 across there, albeit it was even more extreme.
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We just having a chuckle on phone with UKMO about what certain newspapers will do to 'square' their recent/ongoing/interminable editorial line of late, versus the 12C Theta-W approaching Scotland in the UKMO-GM at T+144... ;-)
Barbecue summer, better late than never.
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yip can confirm from my mum who lives in Dunfermline that they did see lightning there earlier so your sister is right.
the power of facebook, no that I look at it.
I reckon Dunfermline is up there being the thunder capital of Scotland over the course of a year.
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heavy rain here....sounded like thunder!
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My sister just told me somebody on facebook has just seen lightning in Dunfermline. Can anyone confirm?
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Hmm, it IS irritating to keep hearing the media refer to it as 'the most powerful storm to hit the UK in years'. More accurate could be to describe it as potentially the 'most disruptive' for years, seeing as southern and central England are so densely populated and there are so many commuter routes, roads and other infrastructure exposed to potential damage.I'm sure others have said the same, but the impact of weaker storms can be so much greater where they occur infrequently. I'll never forget visiting relatives in Surrey and London in October 1987 and being stunned at the number of trees down. I'd never seen anything like it, and to be honest I've not seen anything like it since. Utter carnage.
I can't comment on the October 1987 storm apart from what I recall seeing on the TV news. More recently a powerful storm affected the central belt on January 2nd 2012, and like in the 1987 storm, a 'Sting Jet' developed. I recorded a barometric pressure of 960mbar (adjusted to MSL) at 09hr. I've never seen so many trees down in my part of Fife, especially in the nearby forestry. Roofs were blown off houses and my garden shed ended up in the neighbours garden. I think there was a gust of 112mph on Blackford Hill, Edinburgh. It was up there with the '87 storm.
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-3 C air minimum and still -0.6 C at 10Z. Clear blue skies and some fog patches skirting the valley edges. Glorious.
I was in north Perth around noon today. Perth was the dividing line, clear blue sky to the north, cloudy to south.
Scotland - Regional Discussion 16/12/2013 >
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same here, Postman. I can see Xmas cards being blown oot my hands and ending up in Norway.