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Having read each annual IPCC report I think that more than makes me qualified to comment, you post me something that isn't just conjecture and can show me how those temp rises projected by climate scientist will bear fruit over the coming years. Now I want hard evidence not conjecture BFTV, show me how CO2 overrides water vapour which as you are aware is the largest of all greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere. Can you demonstrate all positive and negative feedbacks and how CO2 drives these.

I blame it on my medication RP, Tramadol doesn't half make me argumentative and grumpy.

Not a commie but hypocritical, like anti capitalist really. You despise the system but are more than willing to reap all of its benefits, yet cannot put or forward a viable alternative.Edit; How the hell have we got so far off topic.

But no one as yet come up with an alternative to capitalism that actually works, so unfortunately you have two choices continue propping up capitalism by buying goods, or forsake all of life's modern luxuries and opt out. Off course by opting out we won't be able to discuss the evil capitalist empire on our keyboards, you have choices so choose.

Indeed I am, the only thing I would say they have right is of CO2 being a greenhouse gas, the rest is compute generated mumbo jumbo, junk in junk out science.Anyhow that's it from me, I've read hundreds and hundreds of peer reviewed science on the subject and not one bit of solid evidence was presented, just conjecture after conjecture. Back to the land of the living now, I'll leave you to wallow in self pity and doom and gloom from herein.

Dont shoot the messenger, the independent for me is just as bad as the guardian. Anyway climate scientist did state the above, as for GW faux sceptics comment, there is nothing more faux than bad science dressed up as facts and that is what cli ate science is.

Thank you Harve.

I found it by Just typing in the independent and the date and year.

I can't post links as I'm on my iPad and can't access my main computer due to me recuperating from my surgery, but as the post above states the evidence is there, not that it matters though as the goal posts have been moved numerous times since those ridiculous claims were made.

The snowless winters claim was made in 2002 and was reported in the Guardian I do believe, as for the plants that was reported in all the media at the time. You must have selective memory loss BFTV.

When the MetO told us to plant Mediterranean plants they wasn't talking about 80 years from now and as for the snowless winters, well I think they may well need a new press officer Lol.

Indeed, but those goalposts of theirs just keep on moving. I'm still waiting for a name change, we've had global warming and climate change but we need something far more catastrophic me thinks.

Wait until the new adjusted figures come in, they'll paint a different picture Im sure.

At least those of us in the West will get around too seeing some warmth and sunshine, for a time at least.

Thanks for replying GW, there will always be people trying to discredit GW for whatever reason. I think we need more Judith Curries of this world, of course the press will always twist a story to suite their own agendas.

I've been pondering over this for a while but would a better PR campaign get the message across to the general public. As it stands if you ask most people's views on climate change the majority will either say they don't believe or aren't interested, is this down to poor media coverage or/and the constant daily stories regarding the impacts of climate change. It does appear to me that we need a more common sense approach from both scientist and the media, that's why I admire Judith Currie for her much criticised amongst peers policy of playing down some of the doomsday scenarios being projected. Without dragging this into the usual pro v anti argument, what are others views on how climate change is presented in the media and by the scientist themselves.

I would agree on comparing Joe with GP but not the MetO, he's just as much in the know as any of the MetO's finest. I mean lets face it how many times have the MetO come out with ridiculous comments regarding Meditteranan plants and snow in the UK becoming rarer. Back on topic, this Spring certainly has been cold up until now but I wouldn't say it was all that unusual, apart from the severity of snow in March that is.

So saying he's way off the level isn't slagging him off then? As for arctic ice, no you didn't say that but many are.

Oh the irony, it's ok to slag professionals off if they don't follow the religion but as soon as anyone calls one of the proponents of AGW they are frowned upon. IMO there is no correlation between March's cold spell and arctic sea ice last summer, cold March's aren't unusual just as hot July's aren't.

I'm confused by all these threads Paul, could we not just lump them both together thus highlighting both points within one thread.

What an odd response, ok then do you swallow any old theory that can't be proven then?

One costs nothing the other costs lots, the public will vote with their wallets when it comes to half baked ideas from both sides.

Is this the same Michael Mann who was responsible for allegedly fudging data in order to replicate past global temps.Edit; With that its time for me to bow out of this debate, as I really find the whole AGW subject a complete bore and turn off, for me the biggest contributor to global temps is that big bright ball of light in the sky, CO2 plays a fairly small part IMO.

Could you provide a single shred of evidence to back up claims that rising CO2 levels override natural forcings, by evidence I mean undeniable proof.

You need to learn to differentiate between humour and facts. As my previous post implied I've seen absolutely no evidence linking rising CO2 levels and catastrophic warming, the only evidence is people's opinions and computer generated mumbo jumbo, which is only as good as to what is programmed into it. Yes we have seen warming up until 13 years ago, since then global temps have flatlined of course they may start to rise again, but they may start to fall or remain static. The point is no one really knows, despite all the doom and gloom our climate has not followed the predicted pattern, why?