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Intriguing graph but I think its wise to wait until the end of the melt season. Lets hope this continues, though some may find a reversal quite upsetting, Lol.

A much belated welcome Jo.

I'm not so sure there is really, as high blood pressure blights many of those in Asia.

Good advice from the above, just too add good luck and fingers crossed for some fine weather.

But they do fluxate monthly and I wasn't the one saying how the PDO was pseudo science. I know exactly why BFTV was inferring such. I've posted a graph which shows the PDO index I would posts more but find the constant nit picking tiresome. This is just a continuation of what goes on the climate thread and why I won't post there no more, anyway he's on my banned list now.

It goes back much further! Your denial of the PDO being a major player is typical of those who see science through AGW spectacles. For once be open minded. Not to worry from hereon as your now on my blocked lists as discussing weather and climate with you is akin to pulling teeth.

Heres a reconstruction of the PDO cycle. http://tinypic.com/r/2vjbj91/5 As for your claims of a pseudo-cycle, quite laughable really and clearly agenda driven.

Also we have to consider Landscheidt theory on solar forcings and the PDO. Off course we are now going way off topic.

But it remains in its negative phase and will continue that for quite some time yet, the monthly indexes fluxate monthly and have no impact on our climate.

I still think we'll see a fairly good first half of of the Summer with mid latitude blocking in place, thereafter heights transferring further North with the jet to our South. After last few years this will seem almost balmy, the CFS charts are the ones to follow IMO, not infallible but they have performed exceptionally well over the last year.

Thats ENSO that's gone neutral not the PDO, that remains negative.

Its conjecture though Pete not science.

Here's some food for though regarding science in a lab and actual real life observations. Anyone familiar with Gore tex will know exactly what I mean, during the 90's WL Gore brought out a 2 layer fabric which they claimed through extensive testing was more breathable than the 3 layer equivalent. All the lab test backed up these claims of better moisture transportation in a two layer garment, however once it went on sale to the general public such claims were soon found to be wanting as the lining they inserted to protect the gore fabric inhibited breathability in real world conditions. Now the point of this is simple really as just because a theory works in a lab in the real world the results can be quite different, so we can put that theory to test with CO2 and feedbacks in the atmosphere, what we know in a lab could be actually quite the opposite in the real world, or is climate science above this sort of real world observational evidence.

You lost the argument by presenting a paper by Hansen. I repeat please bring evidence to the table not conjecture. Go back through the records and show me anything what's happening now in both terms of frequency and intensity which hasn't already happened.

Give a dog a bone and he'll chew on it all day long, the point I'm making is that there is so much money involved for scientist to make up such claims without providing any direct link and evidence, much more likely is a phrase that crops up time and time again in these studies. There is no evidence whatsoever, just tedious and repetitive wild claims, this isn't science it's a get rich quick franchise.

Where have I dismissed peer reviewed science, questioned it yes. As for links directly or indirectly the jury remains firmly on the fence I would say.

Are the waters around the equator not cooler than average at this moment in time John? If so would this not suggest a quieter season ahead?

Indeed it is, when there is no evidence at hand. Read that last paragraph and tell me that isn't propaganda.

I wasn't taking a pop at him, just some of the language expressed in that piece.

Sorry but I can't take that link seriously, it's nothing more than propaganda. Anyone with an interest in weather and past climate knows full well that all such events have occurred with same amount of frequency and intensity.

I think any links between the two are tentative at best and one nether side could say yeah or nay.

Extremes of weather have, are and will continue to plague mankind, in my lifetime I've seen no increase in these events and going off past historical weather records the same can be said. Now off course such events could become more commonplace but as of yet I would say no change.

For me there is no physical evidence showing a direct link between one and the other.

There we go again relying far too much on climate models to fill in the missing data, it's simply not good enough saying that this is how other scientific areas gather data as they don't receive vast sums of money by manipulating what little data is available.