[Would Better PR Be Beneficial In Getting The Message Across To The General Public]

But I don't 'despise the system', SI - I despise the way it is exploited by the already rich and powerful, so that it serves only their-own ends...

 

I think we should transfer over to the UK Politics thread?:lol: 

I blame it on my medication RP, Tramadol doesn't half make me argumentative and grumpy.

[Would Better PR Be Beneficial In Getting The Message Across To The General Public]

Of course we don't; capitalism can be easily utilised for the benefit of all. Ideologues, being ideologues, will (with the help of endless sophistry) always try reducing anything complex into an either-or black-and-white, false dichotomy...If you don't genuflect in front of the Great Spirit of Free Enterprise then you must be a commie... What rubbish!

Not a commie but hypocritical, like anti capitalist really. You despise the system but are more than willing to reap all of its benefits, yet cannot put or forward a viable alternative.

Edit; How the hell have we got so far off topic.

[Would Better PR Be Beneficial In Getting The Message Across To The General Public]

Anti-Capitalist, yes; Anarchic, no...Contrary to what the gutter press would have us all believe, seeing the (all to obvious) faults in the Capitalist free-for-all does not make one an Anarchist...

But no one as yet come up with an alternative to capitalism that actually works, so unfortunately you have two choices continue propping up capitalism by buying goods, or forsake all of life's modern luxuries and opt out. Off course by opting out we won't be able to discuss the evil capitalist empire on our keyboards, you have choices so choose.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

Are you actually saying that the hundred of scientists, from different disciplines, who have produced hundreds of peer reviewed papers on climate are guilty of bad science? If so perhaps you could elaborate.

Indeed I am, the only thing I would say they have right is of CO2 being a greenhouse gas, the rest is compute generated mumbo jumbo, junk in junk out science.Anyhow that's it from me, I've read hundreds and hundreds of peer reviewed science on the subject and not one bit of solid evidence was presented, just conjecture after conjecture. Back to the land of the living now, I'll leave you to wallow in self pity and doom and gloom from herein.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

Ok, got the article! http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

 

Lets see what the MetO says in it... nothing. Not one mention of the Met Office in the whole piece nor the word "snowless".

 

There was a bit from a UEA CRU scientist saying snow would become rare and cause major disruptions when it does occur in 20 years time.

He also says that "Children just aren't going to know what snow is" which is a silly statement.

 

But no official or unofficial Met Office statements, and no mention of snowless winters by 2013. It seems there was a certain amount of extrapolating based on the short term snowcover trends, which doesn't appear too accurate at the moment, but maybe that will change over the coming decades.

 

The amount of exaggeration and misrepresentation of that Independent article is incredible though!

 

 

If you could direct me towards the guardian piece you mentioned earlier, I'd appreciate it.

Dont shoot the messenger, the independent for me is just as bad as the guardian. Anyway climate scientist did state the above, as for GW faux sceptics comment, there is nothing more faux than bad science dressed up as facts and that is what cli ate science is.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

Just to help you: you can copy and paste links from an iPad. Highlight the site's web address and click copy from the options that pop up? Then press and hold for ~1 second and a 'paste' option should also pop up.

Thank you Harve.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

SI, the posts states the evidence is there, it doesn't show the evidence.ANYWEATHER, have you a link?

I found it by Just typing in the independent and the date and year.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

Still no evidence. I'm asking you because I remember them quite differently to how you portray them, so I'm giving you the opportunity to show that you'r not mis-representing, exaggerating them or making things up.

I can't post links as I'm on my iPad and can't access my main computer due to me recuperating from my surgery, but as the post above states the evidence is there, not that it matters though as the goal posts have been moved numerous times since those ridiculous claims were made.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

Can you show me some evidence that the MetO said Mediterranean plant species should be planted by 2013?I don't think they claimed snowless winters by 2013...You can't keep making these claims without backing them up!

The snowless winters claim was made in 2002 and was reported in the Guardian I do believe, as for the plants that was reported in all the media at the time. You must have selective memory loss BFTV.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

The forecast was for 2080.  Once again, the forecast was for 2080. But go ahead and use a typical "sceptic" tactic, move the goal posts forward 67 years and claim it's the other side moving the goal posts:lol: It was mostly the conservatives that decided to change to "climate change" because it sounded less scary. In the scientific literature, it has always been climate change.Did the IPCC used to be the IPGW!?

When the MetO told us to plant Mediterranean plants they wasn't talking about 80 years from now and as for the snowless winters, well I think they may well need a new press officer Lol.

[Global Warming. What do you expect to see in your lifetime?]

I love this video, hotter drier summers, and cold winters becoming rare, everything the other way around more like!!!!!

Indeed, but those goalposts of theirs just keep on moving. I'm still waiting for a name change, we've had global warming and climate change but we need something far more catastrophic me thinks.

[Antarctic Ice Discussion]

Heading for the record ice growth this winter in the Antarctic  http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/tag/antarctic-sea-ice/

Wait until the new adjusted figures come in, they'll paint a different picture Im sure.

[Meto Uk Further Outlook]

Updated this as Stewart hasn't done it

 

UK Outlook for Saturday 11 May 2013 to Saturday 25 May 2013:

 

The middle of May is most likely to see dry and settled conditions prevail across much of the UK. However, given that the North Sea is expected to be colder than normal for May, this will leave eastern coasts colder than average. Further inland, daytime temperatures will most likely be around or just below average, but perhaps a little above in the west in any prolonged spells of sunshine. Towards the end of the period it may well turn more unsettled with an increased chance of rain and showers, with temperatures still rather cold for May.

 

Updated: 1249 on Fri 26 Apr 2013

 

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_forecast_weather.html

At least those of us in the West will get around too seeing some warmth and sunshine, for a time at least.

[Would Better PR Be Beneficial In Getting The Message Across To The General Public]

I think it would go some way to improving the general publics understanding of the issues but feel that , in the present climate, we would still have groups of folk twisting any info that came out in an effort to discredit the science?

 

Hansen has retired so he can focus solely on 'getting the word out there' but his words have previously been so mangled by the deniers that most folk do not pay any kind of attention to what he says anymore. not good , not good at all.

Thanks for replying GW, there will always be people trying to discredit GW for whatever reason. I think we need more Judith Curries of this world, of course the press will always twist a story to suite their own agendas.

[Would Better PR Be Beneficial In Getting The Message Across To The General Public]

I've been pondering over this for a while but would a better PR campaign get the message across to the general public. As it stands if you ask most people's views on climate change the majority will either say they don't believe or aren't interested, is this down to poor media coverage or/and the constant daily stories regarding the impacts of climate change. It does appear to me that we need a more common sense approach from both scientist and the media, that's why I admire Judith Currie for her much criticised amongst peers policy of playing down some of the doomsday scenarios being projected. Without dragging this into the usual pro v anti argument, what are others views on how climate change is presented in the media and by the scientist themselves.

[Met Office - Why was the start of spring so cold]

I've never seen or heard Joe B demonstrate a technical understanding of meteorology or LRFs that even comes close to that shown by GP and the MO. But many times Joe B has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of basic physics.

If you have any videos or articles that show I'm wrong and Joe B has technical knowledge and understanding that challenge the best, then by all means to post them up.

 

Nobody has posted their opinion about the link between the Arctic and the March cold in this thread.

I would agree on comparing Joe with GP but not the MetO, he's just as much in the know as any of the MetO's finest. I mean lets face it how many times have the MetO come out with ridiculous comments regarding Meditteranan plants and snow in the UK becoming rarer. Back on topic, this Spring certainly has been cold up until now but I wouldn't say it was all that unusual, apart from the severity of snow in March that is.

[Met Office - Why was the start of spring so cold]

I didn't slag anyone off and I didn't mention the Arctic.

Grow up and stop trying to pick fights.

So saying he's way off the level isn't slagging him off then? As for arctic ice, no you didn't say that but many are.

[Met Office - Why was the start of spring so cold]

I don't mind if ye dislike Joe B or not.

I just think that Joe B is so far off the level of GP and the Met Office, that comparisons are almost pointless!

Oh the irony, it's ok to slag professionals off if they don't follow the religion but as soon as anyone calls one of the proponents of AGW they are frowned upon. IMO there is no correlation between March's cold spell and arctic sea ice last summer, cold March's aren't unusual just as hot July's aren't.

[Natural Climate Cycles Discussion]

I'm confused by all these threads Paul, could we not just lump them both together thus highlighting both points within one thread.

[Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013]

Current scientific understanding can always be overthrown when new evidence is presented, it's how science evolves. It sounds to me like you want some kind of god-like proclamation, well there are better places for that.

 

Do you refuse to take anti-biotics because we don't fully understand the human body?

 

Do you deny that smoking causes cancer? Because so many things cause it, we still haven't been able to say with 100% confidence that any particular cancer case was caused by smoking.

What an odd response, ok then do you swallow any old theory that can't be proven then?

[Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013]

But they'll buy an infinite amount of half-baked, right-wing, anti-scientific mumbo jumbo that's failed time and again...Interesting...

One costs nothing the other costs lots, the public will vote with their wallets when it comes to half baked ideas from both sides.

[Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013]

http://www.wunderground.com/earth-day/2013/how-do-we-know-humans-are-responsible-for-global-warming

Is this the same Michael Mann who was responsible for allegedly fudging data in order to replicate past global temps.

Edit; With that its time for me to bow out of this debate, as I really find the whole AGW subject a complete bore and turn off, for me the biggest contributor to global temps is that big bright ball of light in the sky, CO2 plays a fairly small part IMO.

[Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013]

Can't you discuss anything without bringing up your conspiracy theory stuff. Just makes you come across like a generic science denier with nothing to contribute.

Could you provide a single shred of evidence to back up claims that rising CO2 levels override natural forcings, by evidence I mean undeniable proof.

[Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013]

Can't you discuss anything without bringing up your conspiracy theory stuff. Just makes you come across like a generic science denier with nothing to contribute.

You need to learn to differentiate between humour and facts. As my previous post implied I've seen absolutely no evidence linking rising CO2 levels and catastrophic warming, the only evidence is people's opinions and computer generated mumbo jumbo, which is only as good as to what is programmed into it. Yes we have seen warming up until 13 years ago, since then global temps have flatlined of course they may start to rise again, but they may start to fall or remain static. The point is no one really knows, despite all the doom and gloom our climate has not followed the predicted pattern, why?

[Climate Change In The News - Spring 2013]

Whilst I fully agree with BFTV (above) I'd implore you to 'watch this space' as , as summer unfolds, we will see plenty more 'climate change in the news'.

 

Though not strong (well it's never really got going in the 'old' way) PDO is still negative so if joe B. is right what should we be expecting?

Oh I'm sure we will, even though any such warming events have played out many times on Mother Earth. Still it reminds us all how much funding it needs to keep our climate scientists well fed.