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  1. For those who dare not tread in the Model Output thread here's your own copy of my report this morning being as things are a little interesting at the moment although I think most of the action may be just to the East of us. 

    HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 09:00 ON SATURDAY JAN 16TH 2016

    THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION   A cold ridge of High pressure across the UK will give way to a frontal wave depression sliding SE from the NW of Scotland down across NW England the Midlands and SE England tomorrow.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif

     CURRENT SNOW FORECAST AND FREEZING LEVEL OVER THE UK The freezing level across the British Isles is uncertain for the next few days ranging from 2000ft or 500mtrs in the East rising to as much as 4000ft or 1000mtrs over the West and SW at times from tomorrow.

    http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk

    http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow.gif

    MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Very Cold and frosty with the chance of snow for a time next week then probably becoming less cold for all with some rain in the North by the end of the week.

    THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST  The movement of the Jet Stream longer term is very uncertain this morning though currently the message is that the flow moving South across the UK in the coming days will become weak and ill defined later next week as far as the U is concerned before it blows more West to East across the UK for a time thereafter though details are very uncertain.

    http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream

    GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational Run today shows a very mixed pattern with the general message out of a very much more complex pattern being that Low pressure disrupting near the UK could bring rain and some snow in raw cold conditions early next week before some resurgence of cold High pressure from midweek brings fog and frost before milder air moves NE across most parts and continues off and on thereafter with fronts crossing at times though with colder High pressure never that far away to the East and South.

    GFS CONTROL RUN The theme of the Control Run longer term message is for very much milder and windy weather longer term as the Atlantic bandwagon of wind and rain resets to the North and West of the UK. in the short term details still look quite elusive but the cold air looks to be proved stubborn to move for much of next week with troughs running into cold air delivering a mix of rain, sleet and some snow before the milder air pummels through by the end of next week.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif

    http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0

    http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=0&carte=0

    UKMO The UKMO model this morning shows a period of trough disruption across the UK as fronts edge NE across the UK early next the week before High pressure rebuilds midweek and then slides away SE late on in the run. Rain, sleet and snow would move across the UK early in the week before cold and frosty and perhaps foggy weather develops for a time finishing the week with milder SW winds affecting the North and West unlikely to reach the SE until next weekend. 

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif

    THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts today show the difficult battle between cold air across the UK and warmer Atlantic winds with a messy mixture of troughs delivering some rain and snow to Western and Central areas early in the week with the cold air winning back any territory lost as High pressure rebuilds close to the NE of the UK midweek.

    http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120

    GEM GEM this morning shows the same messy mix of weather next week as repeated attempts by milder air to the SW of the UK interacts with the colder air over the UK and NW Europe. Eventually the North and West sees the mild air win out later next week and elsewhere over next weekend. Through the week though the raw weather is shown to deliver some rain, sleet or snow in places.

    Rgem2401.gif


    NAVGEM NAVGEM follows the theme of much of the output this morning with the battle between milder winds from the Atlantic hitting the cold air across the UK with some rain and snow for some before High pressure builds into the UK for a time later next week before milder Atlantic winds make a more concerted push across the North and west by the end of next week and elsewhere eventually though High pressure remains close by just to the SE at the end of the period.

    Rnvg1681.gif


    ECM ECM today shows very slow progress in dispersing the cold air across the UK next week with a couple of attempts shown on this morning's run each failing with rain and snow for some for a time. The power of the Atlantic does overwhelm the High pressure block formed to the NE midweek later as the High is pushed to the SE and SW winds along with the Jet stream realigns across the North with rain at times to the North and West at least in milder air for all.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif

    ECM 10 DAY MEAN The 10 day mean chart has Low pressure in it's natural habitat near Iceland with High pressure to the South and SE with the Jet flow across Northern Britain meaning we are likely to see less cold and wetter conditions with rain at times in the North and West especially with the driest weather in the East and South.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif

    NOTABLE TRENDS & CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The models all show mild air eventually with an agreed delay of the onset of this now until later next week.

    31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with UKMO  and GFS at 99.4 pts respectively.  At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.6 pts to UKMO's 96.7 pts while GFS lags behind at 96.3 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 89.6 pts to UKMO at 87.9 pts then GFS at 87.0 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM still leads at 66.0 pts over GFS's 63.4 pts. Finally at Day 10 ECM is ahead of GFS at 49.6 pts to 45.6 pts respectively. 

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    MY THOUGHTS   Finally today we do appear to have gained some common ground between the output today as the general message is for the current cold snap to hang around for a while longer with messy attempts of milder air to come into the UK from the SW next week largely failing away from the SW itself. In fact there is also common ground today to develop High pressure close to the NE of the UK by the middle of the week pushing back any push from the Atlantic then and returning frost and freezing fog patches for many for a time. Equally we have good support that this High will more easily slip away SE across Europe late in the week opening the door to a resurgence of the Jet stream on a much more Northerly track and SW winds, first for the North and West and eventually for all. The change to milder weather looks quickest in the North and West where some rain at times becomes likely while the South and East stay drier and still a little cool at times as on most output High pressure stays quite close to the South and East. While the above sentiments do express the most likely outcome painted by the models this morning day to day differences especially early in the period are still likely as the remnants of ex hurricane Alex in the Western Atlantic muddies the waters with the progress East of any mild weather still very uncertain. This of course is crucial in determining who has snow and who has rain as each push of milder air attempts to cross Britain but if I had to pin anywhere to have a god chance of snow from Sunday to Wednesday I would say the Midlands and the SE could be the sweet spot but of course that is open to change. So finally while snowy armageddon is unlikely from this morning's output some areas are going to see some meaningful snow soon and while the end result looks like returning the milder Atlantic winds late next week there is still a lot of water to cross under the bridge before we arrive at next weekends solutions we can only hope that the models remain to progressive in the dispersal of the cold block.  

    Next Update Sunday January 17th 2016 from 09:00 

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  2. 4 minutes ago, jvenge said:

    Some chap here posts verification starts fairly often and it is usually ranked ECM, UKMO and GFS if memory serves.

    Yes it's me. Here's todays story.

    31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with UKMO  and GFS at 99.4 pts respectively.  At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.6 pts to UKMO's 96.8 pts while GFS lags behind at 96.4 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 90.1 pts to UKMO at 88.2 pts then GFS at 87.1 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM still leads at 66.2 pts over GFS's 63.2 pts. Finally at Day 10 ECM is ahead of GFS at 49.0 pts to 45.9 pts respectively. 

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

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  3. HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 09:00 ON THURSDAY JAN 14TH 2016

    THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION   A cold NW flow will cover the UK through the next 24-48hrs with wintry showers at times across the North and West.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif

    CURRENT SNOW FORECAST AND FREEZING LEVEL OVER THE UK The freezing level across the British Isles will lie around 500m or 2000ft today with precipitation falling as now above levels of 200m or 1000ft today and tonight.

    http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk

    http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow.gif

    MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Very Cold and frosty with the small chance of snow in the South-west for a time early next week then becoming milder for all with some rain in the North.

    THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST  The main theme of the Jet Stream today shows the Jet Stream turning South across the UK over the coming days having crossed the Atlantic on an easterly track around 50deg north. The flow then largely disrupts as far as the UK is concerned next week as it becomes much lighter and less well defined across Europe thereafter.

    http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream

    GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational Run today shows cold conditions lasting across the UK through the weekend and the start of next week as a cold High crosses the UK from the West. This is then shown to collapse away to the SE towards midweek with SW winds for all and some rain at times in the North and West in particular with any drier and chillier conditions more likely to the SE and behind the passage of cold fronts in the North. 

    GFS CONTROL RUN The theme of the Control Run shows a very similar pattern to the Operational with a messy transition away from the cold pattern towards the middle of next week to much milder SW winds with rain at times thereafter with temperatures much closer to average and just brief cooler spells behind any cold fronts crossing East in the flow.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif

    http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0

    http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=0&carte=0

    UKMO The UKMO model today is again wanting to prevent milder Atlantic air into the UK next week with High pressure remaining the dominant feature centred across the UK from the weekend and into the middle of next week. Conditions nationwide would remain cold or very cold with widespread sharp night frosts and freezing fog in places. Any wintry showers would be restricted to the far East and SE at first.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif

    THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts mirror the raw data well with High pressure centred over the UK in Arctic sourced air ensuring a cold, bright and frosty period maintained through the early part of next week.

    http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120

    GEM GEM this morning shows cold and anticyclonic conditions from the weekend as High pressure is maintained close to the UK. Then through next week a slow transition towards mild SW winds begins with a messy transition of rain and snow in the SW and South for a time before the milder air accelerates NE over remaining areas late in the week with rain at times towards the North and West.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif

    NAVGEM NAVGEM looks fine and settled this morning but cold. Once the next few days of wintry showers have cleared away East High pressure builds across the UK only receding away slowly East next week, first as a disrupting Low pressure slips SE into France and delivering a risk of snow for the South and West and then more generally as milder SW winds claw there way NE across most Western and Northern areas at least by this time next week.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif

    ECM ECM today has firmed up again on a return to milder air next week as a messy transitions day or two of rain and snow moves across the UK early in the week following a cold and frosty weekend. by the end of the run all areas are shown to be under fresh and mild West or SW winds with some rain at times in the North and West and High pressure very strong to the South of the UK

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif

    ECM 10 DAY MEAN The 10 day mean chart is a close replica of the operational chart for the same time so this morning we can evaluate that there is high confidence in this kind of outcome coming to be.

    http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif

    NOTABLE TRENDS & CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The models continue to show different options towards how long the cold weather across the UK lasts but the end theme for milder weather for all by the end of next weekis maintained and indeed strengthened this morning.

    31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with UKMO  and GFS at 99.4 pts respectively.  At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.5 pts to UKMO's 96.7 pts while GFS lags behind at 96.1 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 89.7 pts to UKMO at 87.8 pts then GFS at 87.0 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM still leads at 66.1 pts over GFS's 63.2 pts. Finally at Day 10 ECM is ahead of GFS at 48.7 pts to 46.3 pts respectively. 

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png

    MY THOUGHTS   UKMO this morning still looks very isolated in it's stance of maintaining surface cold weather across the UK well into the middle of next week at least while all other output brings milder SW winds across the UK even quicker in some instances than was shown yesterday. For the here and now the weather is settling down for a period of cold and frosty weather especially over the weekend when some very low night temperatures could be achieved under clear skies and anywhere where there is any snow cover. Talking of snow there will be some over the next few days moving South across the UK in the form of showers in the ever weakening Northerly flow though amounts look far from troubling for most. Then as High pressure builds across the UK the coldest weather arrives with widespread frost and some freezing fog. Through the beginning of next week milder Atlantic air will be trying to push in from the SW and after an erratic start most output accelerates this across all areas in the middle days of next week. However, with UKMO still showing a strong High pressure rock solid across the UK next Wednesday I wouldn't discount an extension to the cold not shown by the other output again this morning though on the downside for some due to it's persistence of High pressure any Atlantic attack misses the SW on Monday and and looks some way off still by midweek. So not for the first time of late it's the rest vs UKMO today as this rollercoaster ride of a cold spell continues to baffle the output. For those looking for snow it's not looking particularly likely for many at least not in a meaningful way and if the whiff of snow for the South and SW doesn't materialise in the transitions period early next week it looks likely we could be waiting a good while again thereafter as the Jet stream looks like returning to it's normal axis long term unless the UKMO continues to show a different pattern.  

    Next Update Friday January 15th 2016 from 09:00

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  4. Encouraging signals indeed from GFS and GEM. We do need to suppress the Jet stream from riding over the top of any build of high pressure as the ultimate result will be for the High to be suppressed back to the SE and bring back the Atlantic. Will ECM pick up on the GFS theme, well not without some support from it's mean charts this morning but who knows..keeps us interested.

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