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Will we see another Dalton or even Maunder minimum? Probably YES. Will we see a glacial? not so much I think that the earth is about to enter a downward trend in temperatures and have done for quite some time, I've actually been researching this stuff since I was about 7 when i first started getting interested in this sort of stuff! I've also been monitoring solar activity, ENSO, NAO, gulf stream patterns, jet stream and global SSTs over the past 4 years, and I personally predicted that all of the recent cold winters would be pretty cold! There is a lot of evidence! Sorry for pointing out the obvious but the sun is quieter than I thought, it started to pick up but yesterday the sunspot number was back down to 16! This has been going on now for nearly 3 years, and it is known to have a lag effect of about 2-5 years. Also, check out the state of the gulf stream compared with 2009! This has been blamed on arctic melt-water diluting the saline waters, and also on the BP gulf oil spill. This also has a lag effect! If these factors don't effect this winter at least, they definitely will in winters to come.

No matter what the outcome though, we will always get plenty of snow! Living at 1,072ft asl in the north!

You're right there, but it was exceptionally cold for such an early stage of winter; the temperature didn't reach above 0°C for 13 consecutive days (i think from the 27th of November onwards) but there was snow on the ground from mid November until mid January! Infact, it was the coldest late November and early December on record (CET). I actually think this winter could have another crack at being on the cold side, because like i said the factors still remain; the gulf stream has weakened something dramatic over the past year, solar activity is STILL low (the sunspot number was just 16 yesterday), we have had a huge amount of volcanic activity this year, and many of the factors have a lag effect as well.

I know it's a bit early but what do you think the coming winter has in store? Some are already going for another cold winter, and many factors are pointing that way! I will post anything relevant I find on here to share with you all Here's a few pics of what last winter gave us anyway!

This discussion has stopped dead recently and i dont blame everyone, the weather has turned so boring! I know its supposed to turn very mild next week but does anyone have any idea whats likely to happen thereafter? I have heard rumours that it might turn cold again though

The maximum is -5.9c set in 1996! Somewhere should smash this i reckon!

Times are changing, and yes our winters are flipping! Not back to the 60s or 70s, but back to the 1800s when we had the dalton minimum. The sun is still extremely quiet, and this huge and rapid change in solar activity has rapidly changed our winters. Its almost certain we will see a new dalton minimum, and its possible that we will see a maunder minimum, where the thames was frozen from november until early april and they had 'frost fairs' on it! Yes the thames wont freeze again because the flow rate has been increased, but one things for sure, we are going to experience extreme winters for at least the next couple of decades.

to see the sun like this, STILL after 2 years is quite worrying! ...

Things are actually worse than they seem as well. Although the sunspot number has been trying to recover over the past few months (which has been a false but comforting alarm!), the sun is actually getting weaker. The last time it was this low, about 250-400 years ago the seas froze all around the uk and the thames froze every winter, so thick that they held 'frost fairs' on it (if you didnt know, google 'the little ice age') our climate wasnt much different to what moscows is today! This was year in year out and crops failed every year, this lead to mass migration. I think we will be able to deal with it now but if this happens again (which is likely, and if its going to, it will do soon!) it will still have a catastophic impact!

Its highly likely that at this time tomorrow, the sun will be completely clear if sunspots! Thats right! None! At a time when we should be expecting a number of around a 100! If this keeps up its likely well be heading for another maunder minimum and we all know what that means...

in brighouse, we've had 13 consecutive days where the temperature didnt rise above freezing point once! from the 26th of november and it rose above freezing at around 10 am yesterday! the lowest ive recorded was -13°c on the 3rd of december. god knows what the figures would have been like if i took measurements in queensbury!

thats also what know is expected to happen, even for yorkshire its showing milder weather for the end of the coming week. but its also showing colder air returning during the week running up to christmas!

Wind chills have a huge impact as well here, the other night i was walking the dog (carrying it so it didnt sink and get lost!) through a field in waist deep snow (occasionally chest deep!), the temperature was -13c but with a 35 mph northerly wind ive never felt as cold in my life! Ive been in almost -30c in finland but it just felt so much colder than that! But like i say i live in queensbury, its my own fault for moving here but i love it!

Haha that is true! But its a different type of cold! Just like when i was in enontekio, finland. It was -22 outside and i was wearing a tshirt! No i wasnt going crazy it was just that the air is so dry it doesnt get to you! I think the reason it feels colder than it actually is in the uk is because of the moist air

Youre welcome ahh nice one, but coventry is generally mild because its fairly low lying. Trust me coventry will probably feel like the bahamas compared to winnipeg! There isnt really much in the way of long term snow fall in the west midlands either, e.g. I live in the pennines and theres lying snow from november through till march, and sometimes april. Coventry might only have lying snow for a few weeks with mild breaks inbetween. Hope ive helped! and have a good time when you come over!

Depends on where you are really, as ive said, at my house theres 15 inches of snow and 4 feet drifts and barely 5 miles down the road theres hardly an inch! The general rule is that the further north and east you go, the more likely you are to see cold and snow. And yes currently the models are showing a colder trend yet again into next week and possibly the week after! If this all happens then yes there will be snow in mid december! where are you travelling from btw?

Here in queensbury we now have 15 inches of snow and waist deep drifts in my garden! It got down to -14 lastnight and the icicles hanging off our roof are 2 feet long! Lastnight infact next door but ones guttering was ripped completely off the roof and crashed to the ground because of the weight of such huge icicles, ive just smashed all ours down to prevent this happening to us! Theres snow drifts 2 or 3 feet deep on peoples roofs and overhanging snow. It reminds me very much of when i went to the far north of finland! It just looks so dramatic! Although its pretty bad up here every year i have to say this is the worst ive ever seen!

nothing like bragging!... wish we could get more in west yorkshire! just had an inch on the ground for a few days thats turned rock hard! fell to -9.6 last night though! coldest since erm.. january when it fell to -10.8

aye, and even after a poor attempt to re-gain some energy, the sunspot number is still only 22. a new maunder minimum could well be on the cards!

This level of prolonged cold is unusual for this time of year and would even be quite extreme for say january. Both low solar activity and in my opinion, the quiet state of the gulf stream have effected pressure patterns over the atlantic, causing a huuuge block over western europe, extending as far south as spain!!! The jetstream has actually broken down in places, something very strange indeed is happening!

FINALLY!!! Its here! Enjoy!!!