19jacobob93

No way! I thought i was the only person to have ever done that!! I live with my nan as my parents house gets a little heptic with all the siblings! Anyway, my nan was looking for a new house and i looked all over the pennines and checked the elevation of each house on google earth! So basically i forced her to buy this one, i said it was because of the view! any way this winter was the first winter at that house and i must say, it was brilliant! My profile pic was taken over the back of her garden, it was quite deep!

haha i know im not even the highest point in my area! the top of my road is 1335 ft! i must admit, its fantastic in winter!

elevation does have the biggest impact, living at 1072 ft asl theres always snow throughout winter whereas areas barely a mile away they hardly get anything!

i wouldnt trust these if im honest! they change daily, even the november chart!

agreed, even if it does shut down we wont see 'the day after tomorrow' just cooler winters. its unlikely to shut down completely anyway so i wouldnt worry too much!

only time will tell im affraid! the only difference i think we will see this winter is that westerly winds will have less of a warming effect. were not going to enter a new ice age as some people have been suggesting, nor will we be seeing the coldest winter in 1,000 years as polish scientists have said because of this! but yes i find it hard to imagine a mild winter this year.

i have a few of these charts from last year and the temperatures of the atlantic are already much colder than they were this time last year.

i remember 2008 very well, it started to snow lightly on the 28th october, and then on the 1st november i remember being on a bus coming from huddersfield and it started to snow out of the blue! when i got back to queensbury there was a slight covering queensbury does tend to fair very well when it comes to snow. theres been times when ive gone from brighouse (about 10-15 minutes away) without even a trace of snow and ive got back home to find a huge amount of snow! tonight it was 1°c in queensbury and it was sleeting and when i got to brighouse it was 4°c and raining, such a big difference in such a short distance!

heres a picture comparing the 2009 to the 2010 state of the gulf stream. its clear from the picture that it has decreased in size and intensity quite worryingly. i think there will be a lag time involved with this. i think that once the warm waters that are already in the north atlantic have cooled, we will start to feel the effects as barely any warm water will be transported up towards western europe.

i wouldnt worry about what the met office said in their forecast as some people have been! they arent calling for a milder than average winter if you read their forecast, what they are saying is that this winter will be up to 2°c warmer than last year, last year which was 2-3°c colder than average in places which means that a cold winter is still on the cards, and i dont think the MO dont have a clue themselves! personally i think it will be almost impossible to have a mild winter this year. i know it probably wont be as cold as last winter but i feel the atlantic has lost its 'energy' already and we wont be seeing much in the way of westerlies in the coming months. other factors that lead me to believe this are as folows: solar activity i check this daily, and the current solar activity (sunspot number) is still very low, 34 today but take into account it can reach 250 during times of high activity. there has been a huge increase in volcanic activity lately which i know wont effect the recent weather patterns, but may cause cooling into next year. as for the current La Nina, i cant find any link between ENSO and the winters of europe temperature wise. (if someone can please let me know) the north atlantic drift in particular is still in a terrible state (i have a chart from last year and its quite shocking if you compare it to this years, ill upload them both for you to see when i find it!) cold weather has arrived much earlier than last year, although this doesnt have much of a link to the coming winter (mild november last year!), the last time winter arrived this early was 2008 which we all know was also very cold! if anyone has any thoughts on this please share them

according to NetWeather, for BD13 its now 1°c and the wet snow is expected to carry on all day and through the night, i hope it settles!

that was the year before i think, in 2008 here, it started snowing very lightly on the 28th of october and then we got heavier falls on the 1st of november. that winter started very early and it turned out to be very cold, hopefully the same will happen this year! my elevation is 1,072ft, hasnt settled though!

we have had our first wet snow in queensbury, west yorkshire today! only 3°c and its its almost miday! i keep a winter log every year and our first snow arrived on the 28th last year (although it did settle 2"), i understand the irrelevance the weather now has to do with the winter to come but its a full 20 days earlier this year! we also got dense fogs 5 weeks earlier than last year.