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Smith,

Have another look at them charts.  The cold anomolies are quite clearly expanding!

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Yes i know that is what i was pointing out to joy of cornwall.

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Close comparison of the SST anomoly charts below shows the cold pool around the Iceland/Greenland area is slowly but surely starting to weaken and erode from the north, much as The Enforcer suggested it would earlier this week.

Also a very slight increase in warming is evident between SW Greenland and Labrador, with a more significant warming very obvious off the NE coast of America.

Rather disappointing to say the least and with warm air set to pump north this weekend there appears little sign of this trend reversing in the foreseeable future.

http://weather.unisys.com/archive/sst/sst_anom-051009.gif

http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html

Joy

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Thats strange as the charts i look at show them expanding and becoming more intense

13th oct

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/NCODA/U..._sstanomaly.gif

12th oct

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/NCODA/A..._sstanomaly.gif

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Looking at the differences between 6th and 7th October charts I see the very first signs of the cold anomalies being eroded away.

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Do the scales on these charts change during year .i.e Is a -3 anolomy in august still a -3 anolomy in lets say january when the sea should be colder anyway???

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There abit of a change north of us...Its grown slightly larger in size but has also become less potent. The warm anomoly around the pole has shrunk slightly and the atlantic has more colder pools of water. Still along way to go yet so plenty of changes yet to come.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/NCODA/U..._sstanomaly.gif

Very different from this time last year though.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/NCODA/A..._sstanomaly.gif

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:lol:

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Oh really? Well that's very interesting. Now have a look again at these two charts and tell me what you see my friend, and everyone else who read your post:

2004:

2005:

QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM

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Ahhh so your just picking on the smaller areas how about thinking about the overall temperatures with IS overall cooler than this time last year. and the area north of the UK is also colder than this time last year.

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Not if I think it's right - no.

The +ve anomlaies were more extreme in the arctic circle this time last year, but my judgement in looking at those and other comparative charts is that the +ve anomalies are more widespread this year. Certainly the mid-Atlantic is uniformly +ve compared to last year's -ve.

If the record appears to be playing in the same groove it's because I am convinced that global warming is the most important driving force behind our weather at present. Don't blame me. Having said that, GW cannot always 'win' over other factors, so I certainly don't rule out the possibility of cold snaps this winter.

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I think your colour blind and need to look at those charts again as the SST's are certainly cooler over the atlantic than this time last year.

Im not a cold ramper im just making sure that peoples warm ramping ALSO doesn't colour there opinion when reading the charts.

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Frankly the +ve SST anomaly is pushing north and now covering almost the whole north Atlantic. If this process goes on for another 4-6 weeks then I virtually guarantee that that's the end of prospects for an icy winter (N.B. that doesn't mean cold snaps won't happen)

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Not to be rude wib but could you change your record it seems to be stuck. yes the ve+ anomoly is in the atlantic but its not masively possitive. Also the positive anolomy further north and around the artic areas has steadly shrunk and over the past few weeks and has become near average which is a big difference to this time last year. Also don't forget that SST's can change very quickly and theres plenty of time for the temps to go either way.

todays:

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/NCODA/U..._sstanomaly.gif

last year:

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/OTIS/AR..._sstanomaly.gif