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It turned out acceptable today with a high of 20,4Ã¥C even though the low was a frozen 6.4 degrees.

A cold and mostly cloudy day with a low of 9.3 degrees and a high of 16.7 degrees. Much colder to come though.

I would have thought that very long grass would be better for you as someone who cuts it for a living? Or maybe you don't get paid by time. I base my personal criteria from the perspective of: Wanting to enjoy the outdoors in SUMMER without needing to huddle up inside multiple layers with coat and hat Wanting to sit outside in sunshine and into the evening with a drink Being able to enjoy a warm, sunny day in SUMMER Wanting to avoid seasonal affective disorder even in the SUMMER The fact that I get cold easily anyway because I'm tall and thin with low blood pressure so warm weather is more comfortable. Is it too much to ask to get some decent weather, in SUMMER? If you can't enjoy that in summer, when can you? I find it most odd that most people here are challenging the fact that I actually like to have summer weather, in summer. Yet I don't see much challenging of the cold fans begging after cold weather, in winter, which happens incessantly from the word "go" as soon as September starts. Anyway. I know we still shouldn't assume what will happen in August. However if the latest model and teleconnection outputs are anything to go by, two thirds of this "summer" are down the pan and relegated to the list of crappest summers in my memory, and far worse than last year. It's precisely because of the possibility of this hellish scenario that I will be back in the East Midlands within a year.

THE WEATHER Valid 13th November, 2011 13.9°C and slate gray skies.

Current Conditions 14:55 - 12 July Temperature: 16.0°C / 60.8°F Humidity: 70% Dew Point: 11°C / 52°F Pressure: 1020.4mb Wind: 080 @ 9mph Conditions: Overcast. Last Night's Low: 11.6°C / 52.9°F Indoor Temperature: 20.5°C / 68.9°F Yesterday's High: 20.2°C / 68.4°F Yesterday's rainfall: 0.0mm / 0.00" Yesterday's sunshine: 7.05 hours

How mild or cold winter is has a direct effect on the amount of heating, because surely the level to which your heating goes on depends on the outside temperature. My system uses a thermostat, which means that if it is very cold outside, it uses much more gas and generates a higher water temperature to keep the house at the right temperature. If the weather was milder, it wouldn't need as much gas and such a high water temperature to keep the house at the right temperature. Because we run this thermostat the heating would come on even in July if it was cold enough, and it has indeed done so a few times. The difference in winter is that it is on nearly all the time, and the colder the temperature in winter, the more gas it uses.

16.6°C and overcast here, like an early October day.

It will do if today's craptacular charts verify!!!! :rolleyes: Ah and 16 of the days in June had cooler mean temperatures than some of the days of last November so half the summer's already been like an early November day. LOL. I agree with Carl above, this summer has been "boring as hell", no thunder yet either, and as somebody from the SE originally, I think I've the right to say summers up here feel like November every year compared with the SE. Particularly when its cooler than average.

My winter forecast, as broadcast on the radio. February 16th, 2012 New Florida-nia Forecast "Brrr, morning folks, it's a cold one. Well, we can expect temperatures to dip below 10°C tonight yet again, and under bands of showery rain it will also be dull and cool tomorrow, barely reaching 15°C this arvo. However, we do expect a brief warm up this weekend, which should see temps reach 18-19°C with a nice mild low of 12-13°C. Now, in some cold weather last week, where temps in the city went down to just 5°C, some sleet actually fell on the high ground a few miles east of here, the first in 95 years! Thank god nobody was stupid enough to build towns in that area. Anyway, whatever you are doing, dress up warmingly and take care, and enjoy the mildness this weekend when it finally comes. Give your central heating a break! But shortly afterwards, we envision a cold front moving SE bringing with it some more squally showers, and temps once more below 10°C. And there could even be some hail and thunder!"

Here: 7 of 11 days of July failed to reach 20°C Rain in the form of light showers or drizzle on 6 days (the amount is irrelevant - I'd rather have had 100mm if it fell in a few hours in a thunderstorm) 97 hours of cloud out of 165 hours of daylight (68 hours sunshine) - admittedly it's not awful and better than last July, but it's still dull by world standards. Some very cold nights. 5 out of 11 nights went below 10°C, one night even went down to 5°C.

You totally missed the point here, I know full well how much warmer Heathrow is compared to the peak district. I compared here with Heathrow purely to demonstrate why I find my current location so cold, since I used to live near Heathrow, whose weather I'm used to. We regularly had non summer months there that were warmer than an average summer month here. Yes, I know it is almost like a different climate. But it's the reason I find summers so awful up here. I'm used to summers that get warm weather. And last year's august was "appalling". 114 hours of sunhine? Why that's like 1/5 of the maximum possible. Worse than bloody coastal Washington in winter!

What I think has happened in recent summers is that the weather patterns have simply become more "blocked in". Looking through previous year's data, we did still of course get periods of boring, miserable cool cloudy weather, but they were much shorter, with intervening above average spells in between. It's almost like all our weather has been dumbed down with far less striking temperature anomalies and changes from day to day / week to week. In otherwords, particularly in summer, weather patterns have become more stubborn and less variable than they were. Of course, this June just gone did give us one little reminder of the past, with that plume of warm out of cold murky nothingness. But that type of shift in temperature used to be commonplace. Our weather is far less dynamic than it used to be, these days.

To me weather summer is good or bad has little to do with how it compares to average. If the average June high is 17c here, then the average June is "bad". Any summer month with an average high below 20c isn't really summer. I only moved here in 2009 after living in Lincolnshire which was much hotter than here (about 3c warmer) and I'm soon to move there again, at least it was much dryer and summers weren't as bad. One hardly needed to wear a coat at all in July and August there. 76mm recorded on my weather station, which is only slightly below my average (81mm), and total rainfall is not a good indicator of how rainy it was. I prefer to use duration of rainfall and number of days with rain. I recorded 22 days with rain in June, most of our 76mm came in the form of drizzle and weak prolonged showers on all those days. Trying to find the right time to go out was like playing cat and mouse with the showers. Most days, a continuous stratum of incontinent cloud which couldn't decide when to spit or drizzle.

Which people? I certainly know that half the days failing to reach 17 degrees C (as in June) is bad for summer - if you like warm weather. An average high of 18 for July? You think that is warm? My average room temperature is 22 degrees and even on a "warm day" outside, it is colder outside than in. How is that like summer? Nothing wrong with my perception, I think yours must be wrong if you think these temperatures constitute a good summer! If I can't go outside on more than half the days without wearing a coat to avoid getting cold, it's a bad summer. That's my opinion. Is it wrong? No, opinions are neither right or wrong. You've made it clear you enjoy cold and rain - hardly one to talk about other people's perceptions really.

Surprised there's not that many comments in here regarding the latest awful outputs. Around here, maxes predicted to be about 12-13 degrees on 16th-17th July. Summer? Don't bloody think so. I don't think I've ever known such a bull-chute crummer as this one before. Two warm days and some people think that still justifies calling it normal.

Current Conditions 15:30 - 11 July Temperature: 19.7°C / 67.5°F Humidity: 64% Dew Point: 13°C / 55°F Pressure: 1021.4mb Wind: 019 @ 5mph Conditions: Mostly cloudy. Last Night's Low: 10.9°C / 51.6°F Indoor Temperature: 20.5°C / 68.9°F Yesterday's High: 19.0°C / 66.2°F Yesterday's rainfall: 0.6mm / 0.02" Yesterday's sunshine: 3.4 hours

No I used to live in Berkshire. So the worst months of 85/86 would have been like an average peak district summer. The crap August 2010 from a station near me (and also at 300m): http://www.tutiempo....-2010/33300.htm Now for some non-summer months WARMER than this at Heathrow, 5 miles from my previous location: October 1995 http://www.tutiempo....-1995/37720.htm October 2001 http://www.tutiempo....-2001/37720.htm May 1992 http://www.tutiempo....-1992/37720.htm May 1998 http://www.tutiempo....-1998/37720.htm The "bad" August of 1986 wasn't even that bad down there, and likewise warmer than average Peak district August: http://www.tutiempo....-1986/37720.htm

June 2009 Avg Max: 19.4°C Sunshine: 180hrs Days above 20°C: 15 Rainfall: 37mm August 2009 Avg Max: 19.0°C Days above 20°C: 13 June 2010 Avg Max: 19.6°C Sunshine: 226hrs Days above 20°C: 15 Rainfall: 39mm July 2010 to the 10th Avg Max: 20.5°C Avg Low: 12.1°C July 2011 to the 10th Avg Max: 18.7°C Avg Low: 9.6°C June 2011 Avg Max: 16.7°C Sunshine: 175hrs Days above 20°C: 5 Rainfall: 76mm Summer 2009 and 2010 were better up to this point than this awful summer. Both dryer, sunnier and warmer. In fact, temperature wise, June 2007 was warmer than June 2011, with an average high of 18°C, compared with 16.7°C and some warm sunny weather in the first two weeks before it got wet. In fact June 2007 was my favorite June, warmer than average with frequent thunderstorms (I counted them on 8 seperate days) and some of these were very severe thunderstorms. I would love another June 2007. It had a tropical feel to it.

My fantasy forecast for the next week: July 11 A generally clear and warm day. Low - 24°C High - 40°C July 12 Very humid with thunderstorms PM. Low - 25°C High - 37°C July 13 Clear and very warm again. Low - 24°C High - 38°C July 14 More humid, mostly clear and hot. Low - 26°C High - 39°C July 15 Much cooler with showers PM. Low - 23°C High - 33°C July 16 A cool night, then warm again with scttrd clouds and showers PM. Low - 22°C High - 35°C

I agree that last year was far better to this date than this year. Last year it was reaching 24 degrees here compared with 17 today. June was much dryer and dominated by high pressure with 225 hours of sunshine, not the endless runs of 13-14 degree maxes and rain on 25 days like this June just gone. So don't pretend this is actually better than the last 4 summers please anybody. You must have a short memory. Even June 2009 was far better than 2011. The only thing that truly let down last year was the appalling August.

The GFS in particular can underestimate temperatures it probably will not be that cold. But if it verifies the lows of 7 and highs of 15 will be 4 degrees and 3 degrees below the low and high temperature averages for my area, repectively. Even the metoffice considers that anomaly to be considered "very cool". compared with average.

16.7°C after a high of 18.4°C and mostly cloudy. Some light showers this morning.

Looking at the latest various model outputs it appears that some really quite chilly weather is on the way for my area with lows of only 6-7°C and highs of 15-16°C. I can't remember any time it was this persistently cold in July really.

I've heard thunder on just 3 days in my part of the bleak district this year and no more than 3 rumbles in any of those days.

Basically garbage weather yet again for July, I don't think the month derserves to be called "July" in fact based on recent performances.... One or two showers today, mostly just cloudy, with a low of 8.6°C and a high of a lowly 16.6°C, and quite windy. Just 1.6mm of rain fell at the house. Now currently 13.0°C and pressure is on the rise slightly. But not for long...