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  1. Thanks guys for the feedback. :)

    Yes, these are monthly means and heavily diluted, and also considering its a 50-member weighted average. As far as the vortex core goes, its spatial area is much larger than any area of the potential warming onset from the Asian sector, so the dilution effect is greater on the warming part then on the cold core of the polar vortex. Not to mention that in some individual ens-member cases there likely isn't even any Asian warming occurring, so that is a heavy dilution effect, unlike the polar vortex core which is always present, just spatially shifted by a few 100-1000 kilometres. Now I am not saying that the warming signal on the ENS-mean maps is a given, but we have to consider entire model circumstances when interpreting such ensemble charts. 

    That is why anomalies were invented. Yes I have those too. :)  They are from models' own hindcast climatology. It gives a bit better impression what is the actual abnormality in the forecast.

    for example from the Glosea5:

    ukmogphanom201901.jpg  ukmogphanom201902.jpg   ukmogphanom201903.jpg

    ukmotmpanom201901.jpg   ukmotmpanom201902.jpg   ukmotmpanom201903.jpg

    And some ECMWF

    ecmgphanom201901.jpg  ecmtmpanom201901.jpg

    ecmgphanom201902.jpg   ecmtmpanom201902.jpg

     

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  2. To do a quick update. Atlantic subsurface temps are below average just like the surface ones.

        thetao_in_Met_O_GLO_PHYS_dm_TEM_15330367       thetao_in_Met_O_GLO_PHYS_dm_TEM_15330356  

     

    And a cross section by latitude over Atlantic at 20W and 30W for Juney showing that cooler waters are not just near the surface.

    Potential_temperature_depth_belo_in_ocnm  Potential_temperature_depth_belo_in_ocnm

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  3. I see I still have some reach. :D

    I do have in plan to do a post on Atlantic with some more data, like different depths and also salinity anomalies. Might also add a cross-section or two. All from the well respected datasets MERCATOR and UKMOs GloSEA5.

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  4. That is an interesting topic, and some studies were done about it, but i cant remember the authors or titles. 

    Anyhow, I decided to take a look myself at the basic raw data. Making a correlation of DJF 500mb and the atlantic ACE index prior to the winter, looking at years 1980-2016. The obvious -ve NAO tendency falls out. The correlation factor is not too high for great confidence, but its enough to show a potential signal. 

    hgt-in-correlation923734.png

    So I decided to make a graphic with ACE, AO and NAO, for future reference. It is to be used to look at any specific years. There are some years that have high ACE/-ve NAO and vice versa. 

    ace.png

    So I decided to make a scatter plot. Here we can see that lower ACE years are pretty random with AO and NAO. But, as we go higher, especially above 150, the tendency for more negative -AO/NAO increases. The exceptions are 98 and 99, being strong La Nina years. 

    acec2.png

    This is just raw data and a lot could be analysed further down the line. 

    And a bonus graphic, a correlation of autumn polar vortex with ACE. This basically shows a small indication that the polar vortex might tend to be weaker with higher the ACE goes.

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  5. SSTs can change fairly quickly with upwelling, and also in the opposite direction. Another thing is a prolonged cyclonic activity which mixes a good depth of the ocean (relatively).

    Just for this thread I have made two charts, showing that the "cold" blob from 2015 is pretty much gone compared to this year. First is a direct monthly mean comparison, and second is a difference at 75m depth, where the N Atlantic is warmer than it was in 2015 in the first week of September. 

    sst-in-177.png    thetao-in-7517.png

     

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  6. I was playing around with various data again, and since we usually look at ENSO, QBO and Solar cycle data, I decided to make a graphic that combines all of it in one place, as a reference to past combinations of these indices. The enso line does not correspond to any axis values, but is just there as a feeling of wether it was + or - or waning/waxing.

    qbosolarenso.png

    Here is a version without the ENSO:

    30mbqbosolar.png

    And versions without solar data:

    30mbqbo.png

    10mbqbo.png

    If anyone has some special graphical request, I can try to cook something up as much as its in my limited plotting power. 

    Regards

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  7. On 3. 11. 2016 at 20:20, Recretos said:

     

    And here is a graphic I made, which shows latest GEFS ensemble means, and it shows a decent negative bias from GEFS, which means that in the early forecast hours it underestimates the vortex strength, which mainly has to do with the positioning, and goes too low also in the later stages, which is also a case of positioning. A thing worth noting when interpreting GEFS ens mean forecasts. 

    geffs5.png

    As I have showed before, the GEFS/GFS have a certain bias, where they have the vortex too weak/displaced. And now the new bias analysis showed the same thing, this one made with even more runs. 

    geffs.png

     

    Something to consider in the future.

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  8. Zonal mean temperature change, showing the warming strat top, and some (seasonal) cooling in the mid-levels. 

    temperatureisobaric-in-g.png temperatureisobaric-in-g.png

    And the change of the zonal wind component, mainly showing the polar jet displacement, and a lack of any general polar vortex organisation. 

    u-componentofwindisobari.png  u-componentofwindisobari.png

    Height wise, as the south pole seasonally "weakens", the north side slowly drops heights, but without any real fast height drop, exccept for the 1-8 day period due to the shifting. Which is kinda obvious by now, from all fronts why. :D

    geopotentialheightisobar.png  geopotentialheightisobar.png

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  9. I have some access to the extended ECMWF EPS model, with a 3-week lag, so I made an ENS plot of the 65N zonal mean zonal wind forecasts, which show that even tho some members were seeing the weaker vortex, the ENS mean in general was not as "agressive". But in all fairness, a lot of times not even the GEFS is as perfect for 10-16 days ahead. :D 

    The most interesting part is, that the never runs will see the situation better, which might (or pretty much will) influence the ECMWF Seasonal model. 

    eps.png 

    And the latest 12z GEFS, with very good agreement, with the exceptions of members 4,6 and 8. 

    geffs.png

    And here is a graphic I made, which shows latest GEFS ensemble means, and it shows a decent negative bias from GEFS, which means that in the early forecast hours it underestimates the vortex strength, which mainly has to do with the positioning, and goes too low also in the later stages, which is also a case of positioning. A thing worth noting when interpreting GEFS ens mean forecasts. 

    geffs5.png

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