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Recretos

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  1. Oh trust me, a full on wave 1 can be a harder case for the vortex to handle than a wave 2. if the vortex is strong, it can take the "energy" of the 2-wave and use it to its own advantage, remaining firm in place, unless a strong enough temp. waves are following. While in a full blown wave 1 it will get shoved out of place before it can say "is that a wave1 coming at me...". Of course with the normal disclaimers, like each scenario is different and each situation is unique. :)

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  2. I have done these posts before with images, but somehow Mr. Chionomaniac always seems to forget to add them to the first post. :D

     

    Well, its quite simple really. Wave number 1, mean literally a 1 wave form in the stratosphere. A literal atmospheric wave, or make that like a giant rossby wave if you wish, but not that literally. 

     

    An example (a quite strong one, tho, but still). Wave number 2 is the same principle, just with two waves, or two ridges instead of one. This particualr example is one of the CFSv2 ensemble perturbations for 25.12.2015. 

     

    geopotentialheightisobar.png geopotentialheightisobar.png

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  3. Here is some long range magic from CFSv2 daily ensembles, which I finally managed to average the right way, and they seem to be doing a good job, continuing with the promotion of the vigorous wave1.

     

    cfs10.png cfs5.png t10.png

     

    Gonna add the NASA model, which I find to be very interesting, and going to 240h, it has forecasting potential together with ECMWF, FIM-9, GFS, JMA and ensemble guidance. 

     

    h-in-inst33dasmcp2015112.png

     

    Adding comparison of zonal mean zonal wind from NASA, GFS and ECMWF

     

    ecmwfzmuf240.gif u-componentofwindisobari.png u-in-inst33dasmcp2015112.png

     

    And difference between NASAs GMAO and GFS, showing where GFS has weaker or stronger zonal wind mean component. Not very useful now, but will be when/if stronger dynamics get into play.

     

    u-componentofwindisobari.png

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  4. Congrats on a new season and a great new intro post! :)

     

    I have nothing major to share, just some forecast anomalies, showing the GEFS and GFS going for a bit less organised vortex going into November, as expected.

     

    geopotentialheightisobar.png geopotentialheightisobar.png

     

    temperatureisobaric-in-1.png temperatureisobaricens-i.png temperatureisobaricunwei.png

     

    The zonal wind zonal mean forecast from GFS does show a less organised vorex, also compared to this time last year. Of course its just a forecast. 

     

    u-componentofwindisobari.png u-componentofwindisobari.png

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    Though I agree that a logarithmic view is indeed a better approach, with the limited capacity of the ESRL plots...

     

    Oh the good old days, of being limited to the ESRL and online plotting. :) I know exactly where you come from, dont worry. :) I was just trying to add generally for all the rest, that he best way to look at the QBO is also as a zonal mean zonal wind on a latitude cross section. i was not trying to say that your plots are not right or anything. God forbid. Keep up the good work. :)

  6. Cool to have this QBO explanation. It was explained many times, but always piece by piece, or just mentioned. :)

     

    The best way to look at the QBO is through a latitude cross section on a zonal mean. There you can get the best feeling where its at and how strong. I am not a fan of using zonal wind anomalies for assessing the QBO, since it is already a bi-polar feature by nature. 

     

    So here is an example of a zonal mean from GFS analysis and forecast, where you can see both phases of QBO. :) The best way to look at QBO is on a logarithmic vertical scale. 

     

    u-componentofwindisobari.png u-componentofwindisobari.png u-componentofwindisodbar.png

     

    And analysis focused on the QBO region, and a longitude cross section, like you did with ESRL plots. :)

     

    u-componentofwindisodbri.png u-componentofwindisobari.png

     

    @knocker: Not sure exactly, since I hardly read any papers since 2011, but I do remember someone finding some additional features via solar cycle among other stuff, and the BDC stratosphere connection, since the QBO could connect to the troposphere also by the stratospheric and SSW dynamics. Kinda like a backdoor entrance to the troposphere. But there is more to this than just the polar vortex in this case. :)  

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  7. Speaking of model ability to forecast. The Euro/Atlantic wavebreaking, together with the wave 1 from the Pacific side, will make the first wave2 attack on the polar vortex, though with not much long term damage. but still, its not a bad attempt, and of course gives me the opportunity to quickly model it in 3D, where this is even better shown than on 2D charts.

     

    gfsnh-0-96.png ecmwftz30nhemi229.png nhhgt30mb144.gif

     

     

    You can see how the bottom strat and upper trop is being squeezed in at 300mb where the bottom layer is, with a lagged response to the mid strat. The top layer is at 10mb. I added the 10mb contours at the top to better show what is happening with the mid vortex as a response to lower dynamics. This kind of "trop infused" dynamics are almost standard for the early cold season. Lets not forget the brief low to mid strat split from December 2012. these trop waves are know to sometimes being precursos to more serious events, but we are too soon in the season, and on a bit different configuration than in 2012/2013. What I am trying to say, is that one must not confuse pure direct trop induced dynamics with the dynamics and mechanics of an SSW. Not every wave2 is the same, even if it might briefly look the same on a 10mb 2D chart. Besides, this is not a strong wave2 at all, due to its background, and its much more of a G-wave than a T-wave, which is almost a classic footprint of a brief direct trop induced wave2. 

     

    Anyhow, let the animation roll, and I hope it gets the message across better than my ramblings. :) This is tho nonetheless a good opportunity to test my 3D matrix in an operational forecasting way, to help make certain dynamics more clear and to show a better picture, without having to analyse 200 2D maps. :D at least for me, but thats probably because I kinda got used looking at it while constructing it.

     

     

    Anyhow, the vortex will recover, no sweat, and will avenge to the trop core, sending it somewhere in the Greenland/Atlantic sector, keeping the NAO at least neutral if not positive. 

    kind regards.

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  8. Good work Singularity.

    Tho you have to understand that it can also be reverse correlated. Constant zonal wind, or better yet constant low pressure at that area, will cause lots of surface wind stress, affecting the MLD and essentially causing mixing and upwelling and thus negativev anomalies.

    Its kinda the chicken and the egg situation at first glance. :)

  9. Adding more graphics of surface SST anomalies, over various latitudes, showing the progression of the cold pool this year over time. 

     

    dbfgd.png anom-ins-123.png anom-in-123.png dd.png dfgd.png

     

    And this is a time-series, of monthly mean values form January 1985 to December 2014, so the past 30 years, at point 50N-26W. it is seen how lately the cold waters are more on a uprise, probably preceding the eventual onset of the cold AMO phase down the line somewhere.

    rew.png  loc.png

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  10. Not sure when the definition of the tropics and subtropics changed for the strat, but if there is a seperate official definition, I would love to hear it and use it. :)

    Otherwise I will continue to use the natures own main frame definition of the main strat tropics, via the QBO variability. And by that definition, both 97 and 02 have tropics normal, to colder than normal in 02 on your charts. But certainly not warmer than normal.

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