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Apart from Friday it's looking pretty mild in the CET zone aswell. The thing is, even a cooler day like today will end up mild on the figures as it'll be in double figures by 0900 tomorrow, so today's max temps will be recorded then. It's very likely we'll finish close to 7C now.

It's a weather enthusiast's forum. I don't understand why people join when they don't want any weather at all!

6.9C - already joint 15th warmest despite the cold start. Another 11C+ year incoming. What a grim month!

That's the issue with perception, it often fools you. The 1989-2006 period was sunny, but I suspect people remember the spell of four good ones on the bounce from 1994-1997, as well as the good 1999 and great 2006. However in there were some downright rotten months like 1992, 1993, 1998, 2000 and 2002 - all of which were duller than any July between 2007 and 2019 here.

There's very little difference in reality. Each 30 year average has shown an increase over the last without fail for the last few decades. My own figures show little change. No more than 10 hours either way: 1980-89: 189hrs 1990-99: 209hrs 2000-09: 198hrs 2010-19: 198hrs 1989-2006: 208hrs 2007-2023: 198hrs If you remove the anomolously sunny 2006 and anomolously dull 2020 from each of the figures, they are 201hrs and 204hrs respectively. There's basically nothing in it apart from the 90s being slightly sunnier than average.

The maker of that chart has made a classic mistake though. In 2006 the Heathrow sunshine monitor was changed from a Campbell Stokes recorder to an automatic Kipp and Zonen one. The latter under records by over 10% in the summer months, hence why there is a sudden drop-off at that point. Take 2018, for example at 272 hours. On the monthly summaries it is over 280 hours as a correction is applied: And 2023, 150 hours on the unadjusted figures, above 160 hours on the adjusted:

Yes, finally visible here!

14.4C and overcast. It could literally be 12.45pm in any day of the year. If you look outside, the only clues are the lack of vegetation and darkness that it is winter.

We're on 45 hours now. December 2020 and 2021 were actually duller with 37 and 38 hours each but this month has actually felt worse. Ironically we're on 1671 hours for the year, or 105% of normal. It hasn't felt that way though as its mainly due to massive positive anomalies in January, February and June. Even though Spring wasn't great it has been a decidedly front-loaded year sunshine-wise.

52mph just now. 10 minute average of 34mph. Got the "Hold onto your hat" message on the Davis.

Yes, suddenly picked up here too. Just had a 47mph gust.

Similar here. If its W to N it can be ridiculously windy as we're very exposed in that direction. As it stands it's gusty but nothing notable. Very mild though, up to 14.6C now.

I've been desperate to get a look at these but it has been relentlessly overcast so no chance so far.

Up to 14.0C here now but overcast, damp and so dark you need a light on. Utterly grim.

The last 8 days have had a mean of 9.9C here. The last 10 days of October were 9.5C. I absolutely hate this weather in winter. Every day has had a max of 10-13C and min of 6-10C. There has been little sun, constant wind and it hasn't even really been dry, with frequent drizzle and showers. Its not even usable weather. The only bonus is the heating has been on less. Hopefully we get out of this rotten pattern in January.

Interesting analysis. February, March and April accelerating does not surprise me at all. We've had some very warm Springs in recent years and February often feels more like a Spring month these days than a winter month. I have a feeling that in 20-30 years February will be what March used to be in the 1961-1990 period. The same could perhaps be said on September on the other end: more like a summer month than an Autumn one. May continues to be a strange one. We're well overdue a very warm one. We've had a 11.9C April and a 17.0C June now, but nothing above 13.4C in May in the last 31 years. I'm sure at some point soon there should be a 15C May. Its the only month without a top 10 CET in recent times.

Its similar to how October panned out here. We finished on just 63 hours that month, which is arguably much worse than 43 hours in December. It has been a rubbish final three months of a poor year to be honest. I can't really remember anything noteworthy. We missed out on most of the nice weather at the end of May and first half of June here in the East so its just been a year of cyclonic weather with few storms, little snow and no real nice weather.

Again, this is not a thread to moan about the model discussion thread, nor the posters who frequent it. The majority in there in winter are looking for cold weather just like the majority in there in summer are looking for warm weather.

It's not often that my neck of the woods is the sunniest place. I'm on 42.9 hours so far and was going to have a moan about how relentlessly dull it has been so I can't imagine how miserably dull it has been elsewhere!

I don't understand it either and if it continues then such posts will be removed. On the bright side its another sunny day here, so that's two in a row. We're up to the dizzy heights of 37 hours of sunshine now. Only another 36 hours and it'll beat October.

The Manchester figures seem more impressive to me, a max of -8.3C on the 24th then down to -17.7C on the 25th. Quite exceptional.

For once we've lucked in to decent weather today. Its clear, sunny and 10.1C with no wind. If we must get this rubbish pattern in winter, then at least this is pleasant.

Like a broken record since mid-October. Today is another day that was forecast to be sunny and is completely overcast. This has been one of the most depressing last three months of the year I can remember. Just relentlessly dull and wet. The worst thing about the upcoming setup is that we're far enough north that it'll just be more of the same but 12C instead of 7C. At least with some Pm air we'd have some sunshine.

Spring 2023 is a good example of this. It was a season bemoaned as cold but it was actually the 33rd warmest in the 365 years of the CET series. It was actually just 0.9C below the record. For reference, a Spring 33rd coldest in the CET series would have a mean of 6.9C - exactly the same as Spring 2013. The 1991-2020 average for Spring is 9.2C, a number in itself that would put the season in the top 50. Things have changed a lot.

Its actually a clear high on the model.