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Spring 2023 is a good example of this. It was a season bemoaned as cold but it was actually the 33rd warmest in the 365 years of the CET series. It was actually just 0.9C below the record. For reference, a Spring 33rd coldest in the CET series would have a mean of 6.9C - exactly the same as Spring 2013. The 1991-2020 average for Spring is 9.2C, a number in itself that would put the season in the top 50. Things have changed a lot.

Its actually a clear high on the model.

For this price I would normally say Davis Vantage Vue, but I didn't realise how expensive they are now, especially with the tablet console - £600! You can probably find one with the older console under £500 but it is archaic now. Failing that, one of the ecowit stations perhaps, though I'm not too clued up on those.

I'm extremely pessimistic. I think we'll blast through 1.5C, 2C, 3C. I have no confidence at all that most countries will do anything. When I hear things like "peak by 2030 or 2050", to me that means "we're going to increase at a flat out rate until then so our emissions will be much higher than now." The very fact this COP28 is being held in Qatar, with a president who's head of the national oil company and backroom deals are going on says it all. 20,000 people flying there by jet. Its a total extraction of urine. How can you convince Joe or Jane Bloggs in the street what needs to be done when they see this? Then there's the right-wing Press and governments attacking anything green as some sort of assault on personal freedom. I guarantee by 2050 global emissions will be higher than now. Nothing will be done until its too late. Sorry its a negative look on things, but I genuinely believe we're up the creek.

Mainly because they became places where people moaned about the members they disagree with rather than the weather itself. Plus people in the other 'camp' would go in each area and troll. It wasn't worth the hassle or hostility.

I think that would be 1951-80 by a small amount, but I'm not certain.

I think in an ideal world you'd use 1901-2000 and then the most recent 1991-2020 mean alongside it. The issue is, there aren't really enough local station records going that far back. I think looking at this chart of the CET, 1961-1990 is a pretty decent representation of the 20th century. It was a bit cooler from 1900-30, slightly warmer for the next 30 years, cooler from 1960-80 and then starting to climb much more after 1990.

Is that with the Davis tipping spoon? Joking aside, it has been very wet. Even here Aug-Nov were all above average, as were March and April. As it stands we're on 748.0mm, which is already 113% of the annual average rainfall. Its now the 7th wettest year since 1980. Looking at the forecast 800+mm is possible which would put it in the top 5.

Both Heat and Cold haters threads were closed on 20th September.

It has indeed. The last time we had lying snow here on any day between 16th December and 12th January was back in Winter 2010/11. So 13 years ago now. Its an almost month-long period in the heart of winter that seems totally devoid of snow these days. Its quite a strange anomaly. Its almost a dead-cert the Atlantic will fire up in this period in recent years.

A decent covering here, perhaps a cm or so. Did not expect much so that's a bonus so early in winter. Sat at 0.9C so it shouldnt go too quickly.

A max of -0.9C today and down to -1.6C already. Knowing our luck in this area it'll be freezing rain overnight!

Rather cold here today. Still -1.2C after a min of -4.1C. We have fog but sunshine just above it. We could be on for consecutive two Decembers with an ice day. Quite unusual.

Mild and wet has to be the worst type of winter weather. It's the same rubbish we can get at any time of the year. I prefer colder winters but can live with mild if its also dry and sunny. The same with snow, I can live without it if its cold and sunny. My ideal winter is cold or average but dry with plenty of sunshine. It doesn't have to be a snowfest but a decent event in each winter month like 2003/04 would do me fine. Basically anything but mild, wet and windy. We've just had weeks of that. It doesn't even save on the heating bills as its so damp. It just makes the dark part of the year even more grim.

November finished on 74 hours of sunshine here, so slightly above average and sunnier than October which had 72 hours. It's been a poor Autumn here. All three months were much wetter than average and the core of the season from the solstice to mid-November was relentlessly dull. It still managed to finish 1C above average mainly due to the first halves of September and October.

Quite unusually the temperature is rising during the showers. It was 1.1C and now a heavy shower of grauple and heavy wet snow has come over and its now 3.0C. Usually the opposite happens and the temperature falls!

A light dusting here and currently snowing lightly. Most of the showers have missed here but it appears it is at least cold enough even at sea level close to the coast for when they do.

Slightly milder and drier than average. 5.8C and 87mm.

Any chance we can discuss winter in the winter thread? Any more off topic will be deleted. Thanks.

This spell was the coldest of the winter locally. The figures from the Hull weather station show the max of 1.4C on 28th November and min of -6.7C on 2nd December were not beaten for the rest of the winter. Indeed, the 28th November - 3rd December 1973 all had mins below -3.0C, something which didn't occur at all again after that until 28th January 1976.

It was drifting slightly off-topic so a few posts have been moved to the Winter moans/ramps thread. Please try to stick to the models in here. Thanks.

Indeed, you cant ever say never these days. It should be remembered that the anomaly shown on the Hadley site is compared to the 1961-1990 average. On that average, December was 4.5C. Say November's figure cools over the next 10 days and we require +2.5C in December to beat the record. That's only a CET of 7.0C and we've just had a 9.6C December as recently as 2015. Its looking unlikely but its too early to rule it out.

Its been grim here too in the East. We've had just 57 hours of sunshine in the last 31 days. The 11 day period from 24th October - 3rd November had just 2 hours of sunshine. 72 hours in October and 46 hours so far in November. Its been wet too, so just rubbish all round.

If we were to finish on that 8.5C, Autumn 2023 would be 12.5C and the 2nd warmest on record behind 2006 (12.6C). November only needs to finish on 6.6C for it to be in the top 5 (11.9C).

So, discussing Autumn in the Autumn thread and not every other season? Radical I know!