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the midlands north is not hammered with snow on the exm at all! pennines n scotland yes. it amazes me how once agaim (cast ur eyes back to last sat) how the icon picks out changes before any other model that the ecm then follows. tonight is the identical of last thurs! gfs ukmo being great apart from icon n then the ecm follows! is the icon really trumping the met office so much and every other model/background sognal. i dont knw wht charts the met office look at but maybe thy need a revamp n buy out icons status because atm yet again its fireing on all cyclinders. this really is last chance saloon.the sun is strong now. why we cant just have troughs to the south od us as per gfs n ec 46 meto etc i dont know. but like STEVE MURR said i gave up last sat so as frustaratimg as it is, it is just sods law n typical wwhen it comes to snow n cold here!!

so please next winter can we NOT have the posts that say 'winter hasnt started yet were only in november'. looks silly now doesnt it as i pointed out at the time! gfs n ukmo n ecm all look good until 168hrs! meto must be seeing something different or thy will hav egg on facrs for many a year to come!!

u never answered my previois q pit? where are yoi? because r u guys getting correct readings? my sensors scattered in garden are showing -5.4c at 150m in north leeds!!

i wondered when that happened! as tgere was a sprinkling making it much whiter with the frist. it didnt show up on radar. but is tgat when it happened?!

met office n every other forecast had it wrong for us today. 3c but it didnt get above -1/-2 here today in moortown leeds!! WAY OUT.

what i find incredible is the varying difference in forecasts! latest bbc forecast saying signif snow crossing the country monday night and snow showers packing in n piling up across the country on tues!! these forecasts use to be incredible, they seem now nothing but a laughing stock n change as much as glosea n mogreps seem to!

yes north leeds

yes north leeds

well its typical really isnt it. when doea glosea ever work for us! theres just some snow shield over us. i was so excited last night. all drained away now.

ecm clusters long range anyone??!

looks like the underwhrlming winter continues for the forseable x

total fail by MO. other day said snow! never said they changed their 5cm of snow to just freezing rain. and used the words snow n blizzards just this morning which never happened in our region! amber warning never needed yet again. yes very icy but nothing ott. main roads r fine! ps. sumone cancelled a comcert earlier. was never ever any need to!! its a bit of cold rain with ice in the far suburbs.

please will someone explain to me where n how this inversion is causing the rain. its so frustrating with sub zero temps. as someone said this wud hav been a great blizzard. why is this same zone not affecting scotland where there uppers were warmer!! still think meto got this wrong with symbols n wording. blizzards was mentioned this morning and just on high ground. mainly doesnt mean totally!! but theres no snow up there anyway! last nite bbc were saying 5cm most of yorks! 20cm scotland. never admit thete mistakes!!

-1 n raining here notth leeds at 150m.

agree met office fail. was excited for a little snow. looks like non at all. n i dont believe in all this wait til january. it will be jan 1st n then everyone saying ooh its so toasty up there just wait until feb etc. if just ridiculous how we cant get snow. chuffing uppers! poor wording by the met!!

read the met office forecast for our region!! blizzards firecast and it may be automated but its normally always correct on their site but this time.

why though. however much we know the met office guys no much better!! so why are they continuing to show heavy snow. shudnt thy be changing it to rain symbols and why do they word blizzards in their txt. very poor forecasting!! was looking forward to snow as theyre still showing but obvs not now according to peeps on here.

but why is the met office showing yeavy snow and saying blizzards later for our region!!!.........

well scrap what i said earlier. met off now back to sleet after heavy snow symbols. why do i feel as though everyones confused! ssw met outlook etc n longe range models saying cold! yet model output n chris fawkes who normally ramp say no!!

alwoodley at 150m. but leeds centre has it too as hevu snow but starting as sleet. then rain after midnite.

met office updated to heavy snow!!

and again i always rely on ecm in summer but both ecm n gfs in winter. 144/168 look spot on. comon folks! a worry though when ukmo does that however ukmo 144 ALWAYS changes!! everyday!! it seems very rekiable upto 120 only! what did gfs para show guys?!

i think last nov or early dec if someone can quote me here gave plenty of snow showers to the north on a biting n strong -7/-8 northwesterly from the atlantic. even that would be nice again from the models!

hey guys i for one have found the model output so exciting recently. the gfs was throwing out fantastic charts as was ecm at one point and even steve murr became excited. but sadly theyve weaved n waned to lesser potential. i do think we can still see tweaks here n there to improve it further but it seems that the ecm is showing the way. it picked out the change a week ago and has stuck with it pretty much since. the ukmo was incredible until today but now that has given in too. however lets wait n see. i dont agree on winter hasnt started yet because if you get the right synoptics at the right time then it doesnt matter which time of the year we are at (nov) but even when winter starts, if we dont get the synoptics in place then cold n snow doesnt arrive. its quite easy to say winter hasnt started yet but then have only to have mild charts prevailing throughout. fingers crossed for better things to come from the models! keep the faith.

steve shouldnt this fall during the night??