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  1. Devonian
    They think we can control how much greenhouse gas we put into the atmosphere. We can control how much greenhouse gas we put in the atmosphere, because we put it there.
  2. Devonian
    It was snowyowl9 who used the word proven not the IPCC: "The IPCC Is Still Wrong on Climate Change. Scientists Prove It."
  3. Devonian
    ROFL, you're having a laugh. Listen, I spent many years over on WUWT cross questioning people and all I got for my trouble was (at best) insults. Don't come here (or to another place we frequent...) and pretend otherwise - you'll be found out.
  4. Devonian
    That's a bit vague. Which climatologist(s)? If it was Tim Ball then LOL!
  5. Devonian
    Let me put my point again. "I have a maximum and a minimum thermometer, which I had set up in a Stevenson Screen during the 90s and 00's until I got my first AWS. Suppose I sent the thermometers (which I still have) off to the national Physics Laboratory (NPL) to be tested for accuracy and the report came back saying they are over recording by 1.5C. Your argument, as you have said in recent posts, is it would be wrong (perhaps even fraud) by me to take that into account in my records." What is your answer THAT? If it was found my thermometers were reading 1.5C too high, should that error in my records be ignored or correct? And if thermometers that take official reading were also tested and found to be inaccurate should that error be ignored or not? It seem to me Tablet is saying discovered errors should be ignored? Do you agree?
  6. Devonian
    You write some might strange things here Mr Tablet. I have a maximum and a minimum thermometer, which I had set up in a Stevenson Screen during the 90s and 00's until I got my first AWS. Suppose I sent the thermometers (which I still have) off to the national Physics Laboratory (NPL) to be tested for accuracy and the report came back saying they are over recording by 1.5C. Your argument, as you have said in recent posts, is it would be wrong (perhaps even fraud) by me to take that into account in my records. You what???
  7. Devonian
    Yes, what would be expected in a warming climate... You did read what they said?
  8. Devonian
    And I seem to remember a not inconsiderable amount of what accumulates is actually hoar frost?
  9. Devonian
    No, actually, I'm thinking this out wrongly - my bad!!! Of course X tonnes of snow weight he same as X tonnes of ice. But, the point is what falls isn't the same as what will accumulate. BFTV has it right in his last post above.
  10. Devonian
    This gives an idea.
  11. Devonian
    No, snow isn't ice. For heavens sake you surely know it takes time, a lot many years or decades, for snow to be turned, via intermediate 'firn', in glacial ice or an ice cap! Oh, and you do know snow isn't the same density as ice - right?
  12. Devonian
    Welcome 'tablet' - you've clearly got a lot to say. That first graphic is a misleading photoshop, the data line is a 'per year' number (it starts at 0) not a continuum, the plot is for multiple yrs - each year starts at 0. But, the running accumulated surface mass needs to be positive because??? if it were not positive but zero per year what would happen to the ice sheet?
  13. Devonian
    Then you are being a sceptic about the rubbish 'climate sceptics' come out with! No one (bar climate sceptics) talk about CAGW, none of us who follow the observations and data expect the world to end tomorrow (despite what said 'sceptic's say of us) but we do expect 2-4C warming by centuries end and that IS a big deal - whether you accept it or not.
  14. Devonian
    Blimey, you'll be going on about CAGW next. I'm not sure who, bar you, is going on about extreme weather events. But, I do think we are seeing changes to the climate. Slow enough that people like you can ignore them, but I think the evidence and observations are clear. Like I said, December last year in the UK was extraordinary, the 'anticycloncity' in my part of the UK this winter pretty amazing and the state of the Arctic sea ice likewise. Plenty of other odd weather about across the world. Ignore that if you like (and you do) but the evidence is all about us that the atmosphere of this planet is being changed enough by our activities to, slowly, change the climate.
  15. Devonian
    Imagine someone baking a cake every Christmas. Each year they decrease the number of raisins in the mix a little and increase the number of sultanas a little. After ten years does it mean you will see no raisins in a cooked cake or that its more likely you'll see less raisins and more sultanas than the cake made ten years ago? Might some (trouble makers) come along , eat a slice, and say, 'You say this cake has less raisins in it compared to ten years ago but I just found several!'? You might show them the recipe and your observations of how it has changed, what went into the cake. You might even be a little exasperated if people insisted the mix wasn't changing year by year and that they require proof it has changed...
  16. Devonian
    There are none so stubborn as those who wont see. Be honest, there is nothing that can convince you. Because if, for example, the global surface temperature record, last December in the UK, or the state of sea ice in the Arctic isn't good enough for you nothing will be...
  17. Devonian
    Ooopps, missed your post...
  18. Devonian
    NO!! Just get things in perspective! A few birds are killed by windmills. If that concerns you why don't you give a fig about the numbers killed by cats and cars??? Why?
  19. Devonian
    Yet no worries from you about the orders of magnitude larger number of birds killed by cats, or animals killed by cars? Somehow I just can't see any of those who can't stand clean, efficient, renewable power being able to see the cost of the power they are wedded to. I just can't see you writing 'ugly cars and lorries - good for killing birds and mammals I suppose'...
  20. Devonian
    Roger, its not difficult, we don't need any of your schemes. We just change our mindset and stop treating the atmosphere as a dustbin (by doing so we're essentially playing god with its working) and instead leave the planets atmosphere alone, stop spewing our waste into it, to its own devices (stop playing god). No need for geoengineering (which is also playing god) just stop meddling with the planets climate by our greenhouse gas spewing ways. Of course people like to blather on about how that can't be done - but (with a will) it can and we (even though some wont admit it) all know renewables work, that efficient use of fuel is sensible, that wasting energy is simply that. Ok, we can expect a four or even eight year delay while the US goes backwards, but that is the way the world will go at some point.
  21. Devonian
    OK, but why then do you blindly disbelieve them? Or do you approve of us taking a precautionary approach to this planet's welfare and do the things needed to bring emissions under control? I bet you don't....
  22. Devonian
    Absolutely! People like Pit expect to be able to go through other people's emails (as if any of us, including Pit, would be other than outraged about such theft!) call said people names, accuse them of dong wrong (oh the irony) and when their scurrilous conduct provokes a reaction they have the brass neck to play the victim.
  23. Devonian
    A little out of date, but this. 2016 is almost certain to be warmer than 2015.
  24. Devonian
    The OP put this thread in free fall with this section: "It is my contention that too much debate has been about "How To Get The World To Stop Producing CO2"; when the only way that can possibly be achieved on any relevant time-scale is by imposing massive tariffs on companies and individuals who pollute which would halve global GDP output overnight: Billions would starve to death due to the extreme poverty that would result and governments around the World would lose their tax-bases and have to make massive cuts to health, education, policing, social-security, infrastructure and defence budgets- with disastrous results. How can any sane (let alone compassionate) group of individuals even propose measures that would do that to the global economy??" Can we have a 'nice little thread' when people like me (people who think the answer is not more interference with the atmosphere but less) are being described (in the OP remember) as wanting mass starvation, the world's economy destroyed and as being insane?
  25. Devonian
    What a very strange thread. The OP acknowledges the problem and then, for some reason, decides not only should we treat the symptoms rather than the cause, but that we should adopt crackpot 'solutions' to mask the said symptoms. 'Build a steel wall across the Atlantic'? 'Cover the equator in mirrors'? 'Blast massive rockets' to change the Earth's tilt? Is this thread for real or is it a self spoof?
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