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I've heard that the CH4 program altered alot of it's graphs for the repeat, apparently they sourced them incorrectly, had the wrong time scales on ,10000 years instead of 1000 years and were basically so poorly done that they were forced to change them in order to show the repeat.
They are also being forced to issue an appology and 5 min show detailing where they made some fundamental factural errors.
Who is making them do that, then?
Will the IPCC lot also be forced to issue an apology and produce a document showing some fundamental factual errors?
It is an old saying, but very true, that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Level playing fields and all that as well.
I know I'm digressing, but the more I think about things, the more I am angered by how much rubbish the "powers that be" are wanting us to swallow. The amount of things with Armageddon-like consequences that have been forced upon us in my half a century on this Earth is just ridiculous. This current one will be replaced by another one or my name ain't noggin. (Well, it isn't really, but the gist is there!)
I'm off to have a grumble on another thread.
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So, please answer, anyone who reads this, for the sake of those of us who struggle to put our case: is it worth the effort?
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Nope! I would say that we have all made our minds up and no-one is going to shift an inch. Might as well agree to disagree. Far less fraying on the nerves that way.........
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May I quote the eminently sensible Peter Hitchens?(Mail on Sunday)
".......nobody who watched it (TGGWS) can continue to pretend that the case is closed, or that scientists don't disagree about the causes of climate change. It should be repeated soon and made available to schools.
And, if your child's school has been panicking young minds with claims of impending doom, lobby the teachers to get a recording of this programme and show it. I bet they resist."
I'd bet they'd resist as well. For some inexplicable reason, far too many people who should know better are swallowing everything that is being fed to them. It is propaganda. It is succeeding. It is extremely dangerous.
PS Having read the posts above mine, I must say that I have quoted Peter Hitchens as he expressed well what I have wanted to say but I couldn't quite find the words. I have mentioned several times in the past the fact that I am unable to "debate". I'm the simple type!
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Also, the sun, when it is shining on one side of the Earth, lights it up and heats it up. The side of the Earth upon which the sun is not shining is in darkness and coldness.
My point being:
the sun is so infinitely powerful that it is, to me, inconceivable that anything that we mere mortals do could possibly have any effect on it's effect on us. It is the sun that is responsible for the Earth's variable temperature.
Notwithstanding the above, am really looking forward to seeing the film "Sunshine"! That'll probably get the old tongues wagging on here!
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We've experienced the highest levels of sun spot activity over the last 8000 years. It seems to me about as obvious as being hit on the head with a brick that when the sun gets hotter all the planets around will also get hotter. link
Quite, Mondy. Also, the sun, when it is shining on one side of the Earth, lights it up and heats it up. The side of the Earth upon which the sun is not shining is in darkness and coldness.
How more simple could it be?
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Well, I shook my head in disbelief when I saw the news at 10 o'clock last night. Leading item?.......a summit of European presidents and prime ministers to talk about what to do about AGW! Lights were blazing all over the place like Blackpool illuminations
. I'll bet they all flew there as well, along with their entourages. Ridiculous, if they think it's all AGW, then why are they flying around and leaving all the excessive lights on?They are caught up in a spiralling of hysteria and are trying to brainwash us as well.
Seeing it as the opening item on the news (for about the millionth time) was just about the last straw for me......the way it is being shoved down our throats would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
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I'm not having a go at the programme, I am just wondering why the hell is there such a big fuss about it?
Because it is going to put forward something which might indicate that the world populace has been fed duff information for years regarding the reasons for "global warming".
That's how I understand it, anyway.
It is great that another "side" of the "argument" (words in quotes used loosely!) can at last be put forward via the most far-reaching medium of all.
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Article in the Mail online about it today. Lots of readers have commented and welcomed this airing of an alternative to the usual stuff spouted by the hysterical media. I'm really looking forward to it.
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Howzabout our friend, the Sun? It has to be the thing with the most "effect".
Good looking programme coming on Thursday evening TV regarding this very thing...... I believe it's called "The Great Global Warming Swindle" or something like that. Shall be glued to my telly....so nice to hear some hopefully credible arguments against AGW.
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Please keep it open, OON. There's stuff I want to say, but I have to go to work now. Pretty please.....
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I think they've probably peaked/plateau'ed (?grammar) as I have mentioned before.
My view has for a long time been that these cycles of warming and cooling are natural. I think too that 2 and 2 have been put together and have come to 5 re Man's effect on global temperature fluctuations. The Sun is a very powerful thing....look at the differences in temperature between day and night and also between the Seasons. Surely imperceptible (to us) changes in the Sun would account for temperature fluctuations. Plus things like tilting. I really cannot believe that we mere mortals are responsible.
Also, look at the article recently linked to on another thread....roughly as follows:
early 20th century.... media reports that global cooldown is imminent
next chunk of 20th century.... media reports that global warm-up on the way
next few decades of 20th century..... media reports that a global cooldown is on the way
recent years.......it's warming up again!
....time for a cooldown now, methinks.
Just like English people are reputed to have "weather" as their favourite topic of conversation, so the media has it as one of their favourite bandwagons and it is the one upon which they are currently riding.
Must dash......off to work!
regards to all
noggin
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Been snowing lightly here on and off since about 6.30 this morning. A little bit of settling on roofs, cars and bins.
Yesterday's small fall had been rained away by lunchtime.
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A mind-boggling quarter of an inch here!
Still, must be grateful for what we have. No doubt some poor folks don't even have that.
I can't see that we are going to get any more, though.
Ah, well.......
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In order to avoid disappointment, I am fully expecting to draw back the curtains in the morning and see the rain drizzling down.
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The pedants can grasp at their straws but the global changes this winter must surely open the eyes of the rest of us. For so many regions to be experiencing extreme weather events at the same time, instead of as individual events happening in isolation, must count for something (even the 'happened before' brigade must question the timing/clumping together of these events).
Certainly not aimed at anyone in particular
, but it remains my firm belief that that the media (which is, after all, where we get our info from) is heavily biased and skewed and caught up on a frenzied, almost hysterical bandwagon. It's a bit like a witch-hunt! The weather fluctuates. It's Nature and Nature plays by her own rules. Maybe she will decide that at some point we will need a bite on the bum or a kick up the backside, I don't know, but we are totally at the mercy of Nature, which has infinitely more power than mankind.As always though, we have to respect our Earth and Nature's bounty. Beyond that, we are at her mercy.
I acknowledge that I am a boring person who keeps on playing the same old record.
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From the current model discussion thread I gather that this is a good thing!
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backed up by the computers.
you only have to look at computer generated graphs to see that is the case - no corruption there.
I sincerely believe that these can be (and are) manipulated to some degree by people with "agendas".
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It's just the vagaries of Nature. It is also the current media "bandwagon". Give it a few more years and the media will be bleating on about the next "thing" that will bring an end to civilisation, as we know it, Jim.
What do I base my opinion on? Over half a century of living on this Earth!
Notwithstanding the above, we should repect our planet and should not abuse it's bounty.
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They have definitely changed some of the geographical areas. Bristol used to be at a meeting point between the South West, the West Country and the West Midlands and I was never too sure which forecast to check! Now it has been included in the South West so I shall know where to look. Probably others will now be wondering where they are! Ah, well, c'est la vie. Some'll be happy and some won't. Can't please all the people all of the time. Some people will always look to find fault .
I love the MetO.
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All goes to show that we cannot "second guess" the weather, I suppose. :lol:
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If we ignore this because it 'could, in theory, be wrong' we are in danger of condemning our children and grandchildren to a world in which the climate is so hostile in many parts of the World that many millions will struggle to survive and many plant and animal species will be wiped out. If there is a chance that we can do something to prevent this possible future, aren't we obliged to act?
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Thanks for your reply and I take this point, P.
Not making a joke out of things, but it's a catch 22 situation.....we need to prevent stuff from coming "in" through a hole (harmful radiation), so we want it to "heal". But on the other hand, there is stuff that we want to allow "out" (reflected heat), so do we want it to not heal? I dunno.......it'll take a better person than I to answer that one!
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we didn't know why, after all the cuts/banning of stuff it is still growing (whilst the north's is supposedly 'healing' itself)
Just a thought or two, but what if it's nothing to do with emissions? What if it is all natural cycles? What if the scientists have been putting 2 and 2 together and coming to 5, because their knowledge is limited? There is far more that they don't know, than they do know. What if there was just one tiny currently unknown fact that would make it blindingly obvious that a total re-think on current thinking was required?
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I hadn't thought of that one, windswept. The "some like it hot" brigade!
Not that I am one of those, heaven forbid......I like it as
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What clearly needs to be done, besides any kind of greenhouse gas reduction, is to plan on national and international scales for barriers to rising sea levels that will preserve as much of low-lying heavily populated and industrialized areas as possible. There should also be some thought given to creating some kind of reservoir for additional ocean water, created through blasting away some large land mass and replacing it with a large basin that could store the excess water. Possibly through desalinization and other major engineering, this and other ocean water could be converted to fresh water and used to irrigate large tracts of arid land; north Africa seems the most logical place to attempt this solution.
It would take massive spending and perhaps some technological advances, but over the next century, I believe this is what we should be planning to do, then if it just naturally turns colder and there is no rise in sea level, at least we have the desalinization projects and some of the irrigation and sea-level defences to show for our troubles, and who knows, it might then warm up again later, when everyone in China and India have SUVs and who knows what else.
I like those ideas very much. If it's going to happen, then let's use it to our advantage rather than having this "we're all doomed" attitude that is all too prevalent in the media.
As the old sayings go:
1) every cloud has a silver lining
2) it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good
(Strange how many weather-related saws there are!)
Yep, a whole new POSITIVE approach is what is required.
. I'll bet they all flew there as well, along with their entourages. Ridiculous, if they think it's all AGW, then why are they flying around and leaving all the excessive lights on?
2007 set to be the world's hottest year yet
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When they say "Winter", what do they mean? It seems a silly question maybe, but when it is Winter in some parts of the world, it is Summer in other parts. I gather Australia has had record breaking snow and that parts of India have had unusual amounts of snow for 2 years in a row now.
So are they talking about specific months in a specific area of the world or what?
Genuine question, BTW.