Harsh Climate

Thatb is great to see for any one down the eastern side of England, at this range, that blob of blue could be anywhere in these areas, just depends whats in the north sea/how it developes at that time...(if a similar set-up developes )

Its only one run, get a bloody grip!

So far this run is an upgrade for southern areas and a downgrade for northern areas... :/

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn841.png correction: That low over northern scandinavia is very worrieng! I fear the rest of this run now... As i keep saying, that is the key area in whether or not we get a sustained cold spell/classic set-up..

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn661.png That small low east of greenland is a bit worryieng. The last thing we need is low pressure to the north of scandinavia...

lol yeti, I doubt there would be 6-8" of snowfall an hour. There would have to be severe thunderstorms mixed in or for that to happen

Same ere fella, theres no way things will go smoothly from now untill thursday, just cant see it... Its just about getting through each day without any major downgrades and getting the ECMWF on board now...

wow, the charts now are looking better than them (although subject to changes.) We got 10inches one night dureing that set-up.

Youd have to give the gratest risk of snow at the moment to inland areas, East of the pennines might not see too much snow due to the high ground nabing it all.. but away from here youd have to fancy central southern/eastern scotland/midlands/high ground in eastern wales as being at high risk. If all things went perfectly central southern england/south east could be at risk of very heavy snowfalls pushing up from the channel as a small depression or two brushes past... http://212.100.247.145/ensimages/ens.20070...t~Yorkshire.png not bad esembles too...

ok, will do

Pheeeeew! Its John Hammond.

The tension is nailbiting! To be honest it cant be taken too seriously, I just want to see some nice blobs of white over northern england/midlands!

Id prefer Mcelwee or gibs to do it..

lets face it, the bbc are useless, so I wouldnt be too disheartened if its poor.... Im just hoping it isnt Everton Fox doing it , Hed find some way of getting mild in there, dont you worry.. :o

where can I find this?

No need to worry about the rest of this run, it is an upgrade on the 00z and most importantly maintains the trend. :o After 120h at the moment is FI, I reckon... lol I normally have it around 180h-204h lol.

Dare I say it, things are looking fantastic. Even rain preceeded by snow, followed by a strong southwesterly from a truly mild sourcs can last for hours, yet alone what these charts are showing! Id hazard to guess what could happen in this situation! :o But still too early to be celebrating, although whatever happens, itl have been great just to watch the country file forecast!

Well, were the heck did the 00z UKMO charts come from!? absolutly cracking.. shame the next major player (ECMWF) has different ideas..... :o Just like I keep saying, avoiding low pressure developeing over northern scandinavia is key to a true scandi high developeing.. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1381.png

lol, I think its because I knew people from another board (dont ask which one) from the south east.. they were very arrogant and seemd to boast about all the snow and thundertorms they got, and moaned when they werent getting any.. I think thats why there may seem to be a little anomocity. Il try and be nicer to the southeast lol as people on here from there seem allright...

Difficult to say but If everything went perfectly Id say 10-15". But with the way things are going id say probably 1"-3" of temporary snowcover at some stage. It just depends on . how much cold air we can get trapped in the ridge of high pressure to start with. .how quickly the fronts push in from the west .wether or not we can get any easterly type feed filtering into the mild air trying to push in from the west, which would help keep things cold. .how the precipitation falling brings down the temperature. Lets not forget, once there is snow cover and the clouds dissipate (into night time), very low minima would be achieved leading to a very cold morning.... which if there was more precipitation moveing in, a replay of more precipitation moveing into very cold stationary air turning into snow could commend..

I dont mind this too much. The 06z is a massive turn for the worst compared to the 00z regarding the battleground situation, yet we are still at risk of seeing some persistent snow (settling snow still remains the question) in our area. In these situations north/west/south yorkshire are renound for doing better than others in low lying areas..

ovcoarse I dont Its just that the battleground scenario neava affects the south east. Its ussually scotland/nothern/england/midlands and possibly a few locations not far away from them..

You guys in the south east can forget the 'battleground' scenario bringing you snow, it aint guna happen...... Start looking over to scandinavia, height rises extending north and west of there are key. And like I keep saying it all boils down to not haveing low pressure to the north of scandinavia... But for us in northern england, very exciting times ahead! As things stand Id say around 200m plus for any real aaccumalative snow that lasts a good while..

Some of you lot need to get back to specsavers n purchase some new glasses! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1681.png whats *bad* about this? Just as Ive stated, the expected low pressure over scandinavia is the key to whether or not we can get a worthwile scandi high. no low pressure there n things get interesting! lol, the south east were never at risk from the battleground scenario... still looks good for me though...

lol what charts are you looking at? The ECMWF this morning is cracking! http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1201.gif This chart shows slow progress of the fronts trying to push north east, the fronts might even be pushing south east on this with a southerly to northerly tilt in the winds. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.gif According to this chart, the air would then be feeding in off the sea a bit and with the onset of mild atlantic air being held atbay for a another day or so.. :lol: Remember, ussually when we get rain preceeded by snow is because the rainband pushes quickly through and is followed quickly by a strong southwesterly of some sorts. This isnt the case this time. :lol: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn901.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn961.png Low pressure over scandinavia less aparant. Remember this is the key if where to get a good scandinavian high develope..