cyclonic happiness

I think it's because we actually enjoy a good old ramp, I know I do. Because 99% of the time anything shown in the charts other than mild, doesn't come off. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, in fact it makes it a better place for it. We all live in hope of something we can never achieve, even you, but without those dreams, we may as well be dead.

The ECM is very messy even half way through, I think it's trying to flip to a more believable solution and getting lost along the way. Well, it's a solution, but I don't like it :-D

That's like saying "it's quite easy, just don't get a cold then you won't feel ill" :-D

I really don't understand why I put myself through all this chart watching? I know that the weather will do as it pleases, regardless of what is being shown. And yet I find my spirits lifted to euphoria when presented with charts of the last few days, and equally am plunged in to sadness at seeing plus 8'c uppers where only a couple of days ago -8'c were shown.......boggles my mind. 10 years I've been doing the same thing to myself....I'll never learn :-D

You didn't read my post :-) The ECM shows one, and the GFSP a couple of days later http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php

I think the title "The Great Boxing Day Blizzard" has quite a ring to it, don't you think? Would be nice to see a chart like this just a couple of days before, I know the colder weather seems to keep getting moved forward? http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?mode=0&ech=204&runpara=1 What an amazing set of runs! Even if they don't happen, I always go to work happy that morning, with fantasies of being stranded in a blizzard, then finding a little wooden shack in the woods, with a blazing fire and.......... Basically 'Good King Wenceslas' (spelling??) :-D

F.I. looks very, very low resolution and sparse to be taken seriously. We still have no idea or resoultion as to how it will go after the 23rd.

Not quite 2 years since we had decent snowfall. I know that god shall not let us down this winter :-) Or he's in deep trouble!

Defining image of March 2013, 6' snow drifts blowing on to the lanes. This only became passable in April! and this in lowland Warwickshire.

The good thing is that the pub run is famous for showing outrageously cold blizzards, easterlies, storms etc, which plenty more often than not, never happen. I trust there's a good cold spell coming when there is absolutely none forecast in the models, especially the 18z :-)

Just made me go on an epic trawl through the snow videos from 2010 and 2013 (much better winter here, as we got over a foot of snow for once!)

The others read between -3 -4'c and they are inside the tunnels. The land to the left does rise sharply, so it may account for the colder temps. I'll set some more thermo's up at the same site for next time adn see how they all compare.

Because it's a weather forum and we talk about weather and stuff? :-p

It's located 5' above the ground, next to a large multi-span polytunnel and in a park. It's right next to an open vent to the tunnel and around 7 feet away from a large water tank and around 12 feet from a 6' fence. It's shaded all day. And what about the depth of the frost? I've only ever seen mypex lift that much when it's been lower than -5'c? There was no wind last night, so it couldn't have been wind chill?

Well, seeing as the ice didn't melt all day from last night, there should be afresh layer at work tomorrow morning. We measure the ice thicknesses of my location and yours and it will at least back up my claim. I'm really annoyed that I'm being made to feel like I'm wrong, what more proof do you need??

Nothing is infallible, be it my readings or theirs. Yes, that is the site that I was referring to . It was the depth of frost into the ground that shows it's severity. Did you watch that video? It was taken at 3.30pm when the temps had just dipped below freezing again and frost was re-forming on the glasshouse and mypex etc. It's irrefutable, and anyone in Bedworth today will back up how the frost stayed on the pavements and roads etc, all day. If their thermometers read on -2'c they were wrong about this area.

Just checked the site you posted and it says that Coventry id at 6'c at 4.42pm But it's been below freezing here for over an hour now?? Their measurements must be wrong?

Frost on glass at 11am inside galsshouse

That kind of frozen ground you only get when the temps drop below -5'c. The frost lay everywhere today in the shade, even on pavements, cars, grass, -1 or -2'c would not last past 11am.

Fine, here's the proof! This thermometer is absolutely spot on and has been tested against the other 8 we have on site. Plus the frost lay the whole day long with temps only getting up to almost 3'c. Also enclosed a video of the bottom end of the project and you can't tell me you'd get this level of frost from -2'c? the temps this morning around 10am The frost at 3.30pm today. Video of me walking on frozen ground at work at 3.30pm. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=685712661544070&set=vb.100003160282851&type=2&theater

Coldest night for almost 2 years here at -6'c !

Does have an air of 'December 1990' about it, I remember it bucketing it down like this with around the same temperatures and such. The forecast said no snow that night, possibly sleet, but when I awoke the next morning we had over 2 feet of level snow that had not been forecast! To top that, we also had no electricity for 4 days and no water for 2, the winter that followed was a memorable one :-)

Looking at the GFS for tomorrow evening, it looks like we might get some wet snow for a time, evaporative cooling taking place in the heavy rain, so maybe even snow to low levels. Even if it does, it'll be the nasty, sticky, slushy stuff which will be gone by morning. It's a start though! The models are much more positive in the longer term :-)

I think it's just disappointing for us southerners, we were all so excited about the prospects of some of the white stuff, but it's been downgraded to nothing yet again. Storms are all very well, but if you live slap bang in the middle of the country, you very rarely get anything interesting in winter. The Strat' threat is making some positive rumblings though, and I can't help but thinking we 'at least we're not on the mild, zonal train' as it stands, just about on the right side of cold zonality still. I'm sure it will change for the better soon :-)