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Clear and -4.5C at the moment, not especially 'hoary'

It was slow to drop earlier here but was surprised to see -2.3C a minute ago.

This all seems a bit a*** about though, I note with relief you accept the warming has not occurred as predicted but are still trying to convince us we are under siege from unprecedented extreme events as a result of warming. The trouble is that the claims that extreme events are getting more frequent and worserer is at best debatable and seems mainly to be embraced by your favourite doom blogs.

Sounds like even New Scientist can't resist the opportunity of a hot summer and a late Hurricane in the US and are out to make the most of trying to scare people. They are another publication which has gone down the pan and mainly acts as a mouthpiece for extreme environmentalist scaremongering. What the recent flurry of ever more extreme predictions show above all else is that a Climate Change exaggeration is now a significant employer with many thousands caught up in its merry whirl. Meanwhile in the real world the warming has not happened. We see 'statistically insignificant' changes for more than 15 years - which is dropping off the low end of model predictions. Yet we have to put with ever more shrill hysteria about how everything is "Worse than we thought"? Some groups are seemingly out of touch with reality and are using the subject to further their own agendas. It's plain enough if you are not indoctrinated by pressure group and media spin.

A dusting of snow on the moors this morning, showers have almost gone but still rather cloudy and that's kept it just above freezing 0.9C

It's down to 1.9C, still getting frequent sleety showers.

When they built the new enlarged Abbey Car/Coach parking area just above those houses, it disrupted the drainage and clay subsoil was spread over surrounding land creating an impermeable layer which sheds more water towards the houses. The whole area does not have very stable underlying geology anyway as there are layers of glacial boulder clay alternating with permeable shales, and landslips are an almost annual occurrence in wet periods. From time to time instability occurs and significant masses can slide downhill. Disturbance can create an imbalance, and allow water ingress to lower layers - which encourages more pronounced movement. In a natural situation this could be an old tree falling for example. The natural vegetation of tree cover is probably more prone to landslips than managed grassland which changes little over decades and hold the top layers together better than tree cover on a steep slope. Paving over and building will also stabilise an area like this, but it becomes easy to overlook that the underlying geology is still capable and indeed likelyto obey the laws of gravity given half a chance. The Whitby landslip is not due to increased rainfall but a typical winter wet period possibly exacerbated by development in the adjacent area. A VP2 on the west Cliff has recorded 87mm of rain for November which is little above average. A comment on TV mentioned 100mm plus in this event at Fylingdales but that is an upland location ten miles inland, similar to here.

Temperatures falling slowly this morning and showers continue to be heavy and frequent. 3.9C and 8.4mm since midnight.

In any case the southerly winds will have caused compaction and ridging to create open water rather than melting, so a mass-increasing process as more open water is available to rapidly freeze again soon.

Still raining on and off, 'event total' since the 24th has passed 80mm but it has been less heavy today so far with 10mm since midnight. Gusty NE wind becoming a feature.

It's similar here, but looks like today will comfortably exceed yesterday's 27mm. I think there will be another quite serious flood event heading for York in a day or two. The Derwent was already high near Malton on Friday so these two wet days will have it coming out all over in Ryedale for sure.

How does fracking release methane through thousands of feet of rock above? I don't believe any significant amount would normally be released like that. It's like the frequent quoting of one incident where gas came out of taps as if that was inevitably going to happen everywhere the technique was used. I find the current anti-fracking hysteria from some quarters rather strange. What is the problem with increasing the potential yield from a rock formation. I guess these people would prefer a future world world with less gas and more expensive electricity to come as soon as possible. You can imagine them huddled together in long winter evenings, taking turns to warm fingers around an inch long stump of candle.

Rain just about fizzling out now, with about 35mm since yesterday evening. 5.6C and wind getting up. There was a marked temp drop just after 9am as a front passed over.

Seems to have been about 28mm since 8pm yesterday, still raining as hard as ever but the back edge is not far to SW now, 7.7C so no sleet here.

The problem with these rambling assertions about damage done and lurkers being influenced, is that the warming just isn't happening. We have gone at least 15 years with statistically insignificant warming and none of the models predicted this. Most likely negative feedbacks are keeping the theoretical warming in check. While it's very convenient to play the CO2 = dangerous climate change when it chimes with your pre-existing religious convictions, it isn't a remotely practical standpoint - as you're effectively saying "Well I wouldn't start from here" Like it or not the clock won't be wound back, fossil fuels will be essential to humanity for at least another century and tryng to impose guilt from a falsely assumed position of superior insight does nothing but deeply irritate most people. And by the way I noticed this: Another sad presumption, if you were not so bound up in greenwashed nonsense you would be aware that 4x4 tractors and road vehicles are more efficient than their 2wd drive equivalents. A silly attempt to categorise those who question witch doctor AGW trophy jangling as some sort of gung-ho environmental vandals. You do not know the first thing about my lifestyle, but I am certain it is far more ecologically sound and readily maintained than yours.

Stayed just above freezing all night but this morning some patchy fog is wafting about and when it arrived we dropped to -0.8C

Wind dropping now and cooling too. There's been about 3mm of rain the past hour, not very heavy.

It seems like another of those events where it hangs about all day in the west then breaks up and crosses eastern parts relatively quickly.

A gust of 50mph here 20 minutes ago. Dry and bright so far. 10.9C

We'd been missing most of the November rain until today, it's been clicking up steadily all morning though with just over 13mm since 5am.. All but stopped now, but still very gloomy with light NNW wind. It's cooler too at 5.3C

Methane only survives a short time in the atmosphere, it sounds like another overblown scare to me.

Very windy overnight and this morning with gusts to 43mph. Some quite heavy rain about 2am rattled on the windows and gave 3mm. Feels cold in the wind but creeping up slowly - just hit 7C.

Quite a statement when if CO2 were double present levels the expected temperature rise is about 1.1C without no feedbacks either way.

Runaway warming could be defined as self re-enforcing positive feedbacks. There are several here obsessed with promoting that idea. Without positive feedback loops CO2 alone would struggle to increase global temperatures by even 1C which is hardly devastating.

I'd agree with that, but fantasising about runaway warming scenarios isn't realistic either.