AdrianHull

Huge upgrade for the North of England be really interesting if that chart is similar on the day.

But better potential for the North of England with some very heavy showers coming in of the North sea

And fully deserved

Thought I clicked on the South east regionals when I entered this thread 5 minutes ago Anyways the trend for cold continues for the UK with the UKMO... Big Ecm coming up in the next hour....

Added . I'm sure years ago we used the term marginal for cold rain. It used to make you feel you had half a chance. I'd rather have a barrlet than cold rain

Tiny bit of phasing going on here. Possibly cold rain . More runs needed...

Had a request to add Stockholm to the list. It's Been accepted!

Words and terms to be banned on here today "850s" "Cold Rain" "Wet Snow" and "Phasing" Anyways great charts this morning. Ecm continuing with the cold setup all the way to the unreliable. Right I'm away to do some Christmas shopping!

If this comes off I'll be looking forward to getting back into the regional threads for a while so I can have a rest from being in here

850 between -8 to -6 in North England and Scotland. I say the colours are bang on. Anyways 850s are irrelevant at this time frame it's more about the pattern change and trend. Then we can worry about that within 3 days as it will be totally different again

Fantastic Ecm. Just waiting for Met4Cast to throw some salt on it... Joking love your input

It's called the Greenland Anticyclone and probably one of a few areas in the world where the saying "it's too cold to snow" is true. Because Greenland has such a cold surface temperature that extends to lower atmosphere making it super cold which basically blocks any warmer lower pressure from making any inroads to the centre of the country. Leaving the interior very dry and cold and causing the phenomenon of a constant high throughout the year. Original post: https://community.netweather.tv/topic/98196-model-output-discussion-new-year-and-beyond/?do=findComment&comment=4785995

It's called the Greenland Anticyclone and probably one of a few areas in the world where the saying "it's too cold to snow" is true. Because Greenland has such a cold surface temperature that extends to lower atmosphere making it super cold which basically blocks any warmer lower pressure from making any inroads to the centre of the country. Leaving the interior very dry and cold and causing the phenomenon of a constant high throughout the year.

Polar maritime for most which is not my ideal direction but that cold is not shifting anywhere soon. Small steps.

Radar looking promising later on this morning

8 miles from the coast can definitely be that no man's land so I agree in that respect. I'm luckily up at higher elevations so even it can still be blowing a blizzard at warmer upper temps.

It wasn't your post directly Nick. There were a couple also stating -10 will be needed which is very misleading. It's a struggle for our coastal regions in the coldest of scenarios for lying snow. But anywhere from Yorkshire Northwards anywhere 15 miles inwards -4 is more than enough for snow if not a bit wet. But with all the variations everywhere will be affected different. I think we need a North and south model discussion lol . It must be a nightmare for people new to this and I'm far from having any advanced knowledge

Agreed. It's looking great. A few posts stating earlier that we need at least -8 uppers for snow is highly misleading. It's way more complexed than just using uppers as snow potential.

They should ban 14 day charts on here . I could draw better ones myself

Just as well this chart is 14 days out then. But back to the reliable time frame things are looking positive!

Quite a few are getting hung up on the uppers so far out again. Fair enough the South coast seems to get a little washed out by the Iberian low but the majority of the UK is fine for snow potential. Lets get the cold in first. Surface temperature will have an effect in some place with potential for some white stuff. Anyways it will be different again next run. Fingers crossed for everyone!

All this talk of unless we have a SSW we won't have any snow in January is absolutely poppycock. People just seem to use the term to predict a winter forecast by using it as the holy grail... I've seen snow more times when there hasn't been a SSW than when there has over the last 40 years. So relying on this solely to predict a whole month of weather is nonsense and if this is the case why are we even here.

Anyone fancy starting a go fund me page for Nick so we can send him to Siberia on holiday for some real snow. . He deserves it the torment he's having over the last days. Fingers crossed for you tonight! If you have a good dumping tonight I want to see the biggest ramp ever from you

Honestly you will get some . My fingers are crossed!

It's not about been a hill dweller and winning it's about stating a fact that it's intensifying Tyne Valley Northwards