NorthNorfolkWeather

Yep, just seen that on the radar, broadband keeps dropping out, I assume it's spikes on the line As an aside, this really made me smile. My Granddaughter, 3 next week, called me outside and said "Grandad, after you see the lightning, you have to count, the more you count the further away it is" Storm chaser in the making there

Had a really early start in London yesterday, so needed my beauty sleep ( actually I need that even without the early start) Clouding over here at the minute, just heard a distant rumble. Which ways that storm near Norwich headed? looks like east of me again

This may be a double post, as my broadband dropped as I posted, Just had a heavy burst of rain, with thunder to the west, saw one CC lightning about 4 miles west. Looks like a real cracker south of Norwich, let's see if the 850's really drag it this way

Same thing here in North Norfolk, we had about an hour of heavy rain, lightning in the distance, now cloudy and dry. Never mind, let's see what today brings!!

Quite Dark in West london, but so far, no rain

Will be interesting to see what the temperatures get to today, the general discussion last week was thatwe wouldn't have widespread max temperatures in the high teens. Looks like today and tomorrow many places may fail to hit 20.

Few good rumbles just off Baker Street in London. Rain was torrential for about 10 minutes. Can't see the lightning, have a building in the way

Anyone have any confirmation of the lightning reported in east Anglia? I'm in London, but heading home to Norfolk. According to the Strikestar, there have been a couple of pops in the last 20 minutes around Norwich

Well, for the first time in 3 days we had some serious sunshine today. For most of the morning clouds were developing to the south of me, hitting about 15,000 feet and decaying. Now have a big Cb heading in my general direction from the south. I would expect that Norwich and slightly west of there have had a good drop of rain. Interesting, the the surface winds for my local are almost dead easterly ( Mainly sea breeze I think) 850's are South Westerlies which, looks like tracking a big shower, if not storm over me. Will be interesting to see what happens when the sea breeze drops out

Andy, I couldn't agree with you more. I like a good powerful storm, but if values like those came off, I'd be scared, if not petrified. Just going to make sure the Earth to my Ham Radio ariels are up to scratch :o

Looks very impressive, but it's FI watch it decrease as we get closer!! Bet the temperature will be below 30 but the CAPE will slide down to less than 50% of what that chart is saying

Thanks

Thanks, If you let me know when you've done them, I'll then continue my ejucation, oh all right education

Slightly OT but your guide to Skew-T diags in the Learning forum is missing some links

Just look at the way that links from the UK all the way down onto France and look at the break between Calais an Southeastern England as the Channel and North Sea has an effect

Further out East, close to the North Sea Coast at Cromer, our best chance is to have a Southerly drift to give us a long track, usually means that if anything is going to happen it's late. As it stands here at the moment, the sun's out temperature 23.5, some gentle Alto-cumulus in the sky and a very gentle breeze from the east south east. If anything develops I'll let you know. I was hoping to see the very tops of the biggie over TEITS way, but that's where the only (low) cloud in the sky is!! C'est la vie

Both the IPCC and NOAA use data collected from US temperature gauges that are supposed to be in areas that are not affected by urban heat islands. As an example of how good at least one of these is (and there are many more examples) look here for a European perspective, note the plane in the bottom right, or here for something from the US. And we expect the data to be accurate??

I think we live under the old Chinese curse of "May you live in interesting Times" these two pieces show where I'm coming from This is a link that show how temperatures have trended since 2003. I also agree that it's easy to pick data that fits your view. Whatever happens we need 5 more years of data before we can really say whether my belief that AGW is is figment of a collective imagination is true also see this to see how ice area is increasing. I agree there is a difference in how easily the ice melts, but we'll see by the end of September

I will enjoy discussing it with you in September. I don't think both of us can be right, so either you or I will have to have a different view to where we are now. I am willing to be proved wrong, but I fear I will be right. If I am, it presages a harder time ahead than if AGW is true

Neither am I. What has to be taken into account is the fact that the Oceans are a huge heat sink. The Big El Nino's raised temperatures for 3-4 years after they finished, so we should be looking out for another couple of years before we say there's no real turn down in temperature

If you look at the maps at http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ you'll see, that at least at this time of year there is very little ice outside the arctic basin. The record melting of 2007 was due to some very unusual, persistent, wind conditions, the sea ice in 2008 was well above that minimum. Temperatures so far this year in the Arctic are well below the 20 year average, with estimates of the ice thickness close to the Catlin expedition (from NOAA buoys) is about 4 metres (13 feet if you are a dinosaur like me) Other data I've seen in the last fews days shows that Albedo has increased by 2% in the last 12 months, that satellites in low orbit are suffering less drag indicating that the 30 hPa pressure level has lowered significantly. That means the upper atmosphere is smaller and therefore intercepts less extreme UV. The UV that is intercepted is re-emitted as black body radiation, s a significant part of that would be directed downwards towards the surface. final point here is that the actual level of Extreme UV has dropped by 6%. So we have less UV being intercepted by a smaller atmosphere and therefore less heat approaching the surface. Everything, apart from the media, points to a decrease in global temperature, not an increase. As a final point, if 15% ice is considered frozen, then we should revise our definition, however, that would muddy the data even more that it is now.

Hi Gray Wolf, I will admit I've come to this disussion quite late and have only read the previous 2 pages of comments. The NASA/NSIDC data is not as accurate as the American Military data, which is why the discovery of the underreporting of Arctic ice was reported in February. I cannot dispute that we had a low point in ice in 2007, but I saw that there was a recovery in 2008, and the overall coverage of ice in the winter of 2009 was almost bang on the average for 1979 to 2000. Multi year ice is the current bogeyman, but this is itself a moving feast. I can remember, as a boy in the 1960's being amazed by pictures of Nuclear Submarines at the pole, that means that the ice was AT LEAST thin enough for them to break through, and that was before the current AGW hype that's been running for the last 15 to 20 years. I personally believe that the world will, within 5 years be seen to be cooling to such a degree that it may give us humans other worries, like actually getting food to the table. The Arctic ice was a subject for concern in the early 1900's before thickening up in the 1940's, it thinned again in the 60's, recovered in the 70's and eighties and has thinned a bit again now. I do not believe there will be an Ice Free Arctic in the next 200 years, in fact, I believe we may see dropping sea levels as more water it tied up as ice and the planet cools. gary

Adding grist to the mill, This first one is a Global warming comment http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/02/03/arct...at-record-rate/ and This points out the Met Office REALLY got it wrong http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/02/01/met-...at-the-23-mark/ and this one is quite contentious, believable though http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-...s-and-ice-ages/

Sleet on Essex, Suffolk and Norfolk coast according to Netweather Radar. But still snowing here at a huge 28 Metres ASL

As am I, from further North than you. Way I feel about it at the moment, I may work from home