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Well goodbye last weekend & Tuesday's lovely warm 20c sunshine and hello 13c with cloud, wind & rain dross. I guess we did well to make it this long given how short the warm season felt like it was going in mid Sept. Last winter certainly started and held on longer than this summer did but at least not as bad as most years recently. It's always sad when you know the end of the good weather arrives and simply how long there is to wait to enjoy the outdoors properly again. Still a bitter Berlin winter for me and then gladly - a more reliable Berlin summer next year!

Sunny with max so far of 20.7c - spot on birthday weather for me!

I know people who like snow or crisp days in winter but almost everyone I know prefers summer warmth (20-25c) over everything. I think the least popular weather is 2-6c with cloud & biting winds - so pretty much average winter weather!

Well no heating yesterday and this morning it is sunny so it feels nice in here and should hopefully raise it to around 20c (current 18.4c) before the sun is gone by noon. Loving that I've not yet uncorked the radiators - perhaps I can escape to Berlin before I need to!

Take any temperature (say 15c) - it will feel a lot cooler in autumn than it does in spring simply down to what you're used to. Going from regular 20c maxes to 15c maxes makes 15c feel cold. But going from 10c maxes to 15c maxes feels warm. It's called acclimatisation! Also remember the sun is weaker and comes from a lower angle so a 15c sunny day in May feels loads warmer than a 15c in October. Of course that's an obvious observation for when being out & about in the sun but also don't forget it has an affect on buildings too - i.e. our living spaces and thus heating needs. On the 15c sunny May day the building would be flooded in strong sunlight for a large part of the day so when you come inside it has warmed up significantly despite the relatively cool outdoor temperature. In October you might only catch a few hours of weaker sunlight doing much less of a job in raising the internal temperature of the building. Take today here in this house - it's 16c out and only 18.5c in. In May we could have 10c out and over 20c in!

We could easily argue the counter point and claim you're a wimp for thinking temps in the low 20s are in some way 'hot' when in fact they're not in the slightest! 16c isn't comfortable indoor sitting temperature - sure there are some who sleep with the window open at -4c or sit in their shorts at 5c (and claim to be 'hard' because of it!) but the for the majority of folk temps in the low 20s are the most comfortable. Go into any pub, restaurant, shop or office - are they unheated at 16c? No they are not! If so customers would leave... No - almost all are in the 19-22c range, perhaps higher on hot days. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking it cooler - each to their own - but accusing the majority of people of being 'wimps' for normal behaviour is a little odd!

Ah yes indeed it will be lovely! And a proper summer (well at least better than here!) to look forward to!

If I'm in a jumper... she's in hat, gloves, scarf and 3 jumpers... plus she's not happy! She's off back to Germany tomorrow anyway while I finish up here and move over myself so once I've sunk some warmth back into the building again I probably won't need it again for a while. It's just with no one here for 6 days everything felt cold to the touch with a damp feel to things so it needed a blast!

Yes last year it was late Aug the central heating made an appearance - this year not at all yet. Just the little gas fire to take the edge off. Much better!

Well didn't get much warmth into the place last night so fire on this morning. Does feel odd putting on some heat when its 15.5c outside but it ain't sunny this morning and the house actually feels colder than outside - what else can ya do? When I get my top floor apartment in Berlin with heating costs included a whole different world lies ahead!

Just got home and its 15c outside and 16.2c inside! The effect of being empty for just those few days eh... Needless to say the gas fire is on!

If it cheers you all up - its been sunny & mostly clear since I arrived in Berlin on Friday. Chilly nights, cool sunny days but feeling warm in the still fairly strong sun. Trees starting to look lovely too!

All this mildness in the UK does mean my house has stayed above 16c in our absence. Great stuff as when we get home at midnight tomorrow last thing we want is a freezing house that takes 2+ hours to even thaw out. Todays range was 16.7c to 17.4c - guessing no sunshine at home today? Or at least not before noon anyway.

Sounds a very similar temperature profile to our office in recent weeks. South facing tin box so warms up easily - but in colder weather gets quite chilly (but quite easy to heat up again). At home (with no one there) its currently 16.6c and falling. If you want a cold house then mine will be available very soon! :lol:

Using some heating here in Berlin but only a little given I'm staying on the upper floor of an old apartment building. At home its 18c in the house which ain't bad given the front curtains are closed and no one is in the house - it sure is warmer back home than here that's for sure! No doubt on getting home a little heat will be needed just to tip it over into the >20c comfort zone.

Chuckle to myself insanely as I keep all the cold to myself over here in Berlin whilst secretly cursing the gas bill!

Then call me fussy for wanting >21c! I like sitting out in evenings - this is not possible with a max of 21c as it will be too cool by evening time - unless its especially humid and even then you'd chill eventually. I agree there is a rather important defined line down the bottom end (0c) that we summer folk don't have. Anyway I'll be in Berlin this winter and shall keep the sub-zero easterlies to myself! :lol:

The issue with your point is sure 18-21c is a fairly common summer range but not every 'warmie' thinks 21c at 3pm is enough. Me for instance! This means it is 18c by the time I'm able to enjoy it during the week - not warm enough. 25c-27c now we're talking very warm and therefore warm enough for a pleasant evening too. This is far less common and perhaps as common as sub zero minima both being 2-3c above or below the average max/min if you get me.

Get outside if you're bored! Lovely day for it - I know I'd be in the garden sorting things out if I wasn't stuck at work! It's also the banter & ramping thread too.

We're only 0.5c above average for September at this point so 'hot' doesn't really describe it. Remember September is the 4th warmest month of the year with average max around 16-17c here - we're a little above that this week but loads below it last week. Also remember that 16c isn't 'sitting' temperature and if you live in a cold house and the sun isn't out it will need heating somehow. I remember distinctly a March day where central heating on full blast leveled out around 17c because it couldn't keep up with the loss due to a strong cold wind. Jumpers and all - we never felt warm in that period. Besides artificial heating just isn't the same as natural heating - there's always a cold draft from somewhere and cold spots in the house. Also it costs a fortune! Warmies, warmies, warmies... I might coin the phrase 'comforties' for me as I just want it comfortable. For most folk 21-24c is pretty comfortable (aka 'Room Temperature' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_temperature) so maxes around 25c and mins around 16c are in the comfort zone. If its only ice days and snow that's any good to you 'coldies' then you must leave the UK - the same as if I expect weather like in July (27c sunny for 60% of time) any more frequently than once in 6-7 years. It's certainly easier to get pleasant usable weather so I'd argue folks who like 'mild' ('mildies' to keep this going...) weather (12-15c) have it best rather than 'warmies' or in fact 'comforties' like myself. Anyway back on with some 'workies'...

Given that the max temp for the entire month of March was 9c (with usual average maxes being between 8-12c across the month) and with many days barely above freezing even in the latter part of the month then I'd argue it was very cold. Here's some maxes for Nottingham for the latter (the errm 'spring' part of the month!): 22nd: 2c 23rd: 0c 24th: 1c 25th: 1c 26th: 2c 27th: 2c 28th: 3c You can imagine the mins. Overall mean was 4c below average. First time we made it average that spring: 10th April (11c), first time above average 14th April (18c) - this also being the warmest day since late January! Source: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/EGNX/2013/3/25/MonthlyHistory.html Those sorts of stats if applied in reverse on this September would put 4-10c on average maxes which would give us 21-27c across the whole month. If we carried on in the same fashion into October it would be the 10th October before we even saw a min hitting as low as 7c never mind anything lower. The maxes of course would continue in the high teens until that point. That puts todays 18.5c 'heatwave' in context I think!

Here inside its 18.7c - just risen a little since my own body heat brought it up from todays 18.4c max. With zero sunlight and an outdoor max of only 18.5c there's no way it can rise above these values unless: A) I heat it or B ) Have a party with many people in here. Gladly these mild nights have offset the sunless days so it hasn't fallen much during the night. Got to be careful in case we suddenly get a clear night after one of these sunless days otherwise it'll drop like a stone in here. Our office howver a different story - 23-24c today in there with windows open. To the original poster - count yourself lucky that your bills will be vastly lower than mine!

Hot? You sure you're in Leicester?! It's humid because of the low cloud we have off the moist Atlantic feed - a very common situation for our maritime islands! Really this weather temperature wise is as middle of the road 'pleasant' as it gets - at no time too warm nor too cold although the frequent cloud does make it feel somewhat lethargic. But a max of 18.5c today in Nottingham (thus the same in Leicester no doubt) its a long long long way from 'hot'. The nights are pretty mild but with so little sunlight even the warm houses can't be that warm surely? Mine is 18.7c right now just 1.5c above the current outdoor temperature - if anything it feels chilly in here but a jumper and some tidying are keeping that at bay. Anyway do you not remember how cold it was right into mid April? And how chilly it remained into mid June? The same can happen this end of the year too with it staying mild for some time yet. Although lets be honest - todays 18.5c errm 'heat' isn't in the same league to last March's extreme cold so count yourself lucky!

No but sometimes in cold weather it feels like it! House cools off ever so fast on the colder nights we had in early Sept. Now its fine at night.

Sat, Sun & Tues were all very nice days (eventually) and I believe today might brighten up soon. Temps are staying up overnight so nipping to the bog in the middle of the night doesn't involve freezing to death nor is any heating needed bar the odd evening briefly. Sure its quite cloudy and dull (sometimes) but it could be worse - it could be like what most of spring & early June was like - cold & cloudy with a constant heat sapping wind. The wind 'n rain can kick in during Oct then the cold late on in November. Need to save money as last spring cost a bomb!