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Tailing off now in Embra, clearnce visible to the north, and looks like that might be the last hurrah snow-wise today (fine !)Temperature also marginal at around (or probably just above) the 0 mark. No matter, what we have on the ground now, we keep for a few days yet at least !

Wife couldn't drive through to work today so we're just heading down the back-green to make a snowman with the 8 year-old and the other big kid (ie ME)

:lol::doh:

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Never thought I'd say this CMD but I don't care now :lol: Theres enough on the ground here already, a White Xmas (in all the ways that matters, snow on the ground) is pretty much in the bag for I hope many of us. It it sleets up on boxing day and beyond I won't care too much, the last 7 days have been fantastic and will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the memorable spells of the past :lol:

Edit: snowing lightly again, northern remainder of the "comma" feature around Embra before it stops completely I'd think

It does look as if parts of NI and southern and central Scotland will see at least some snow overnight on Xmas Day into Boxing Day, how much it comes to is open to question though:

I meant to add this in too:

Looks quite nice with the front pushing into cold air

Ooops, looks ok for all of Scotland??

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I have to laugh. The traffic up to town alomg London Road is all backed up. Obviously punters and shoppers have taken matters into their own hands and so the pavements are full of folk walking up to town. The scene resembles nothing less than one of those enforced WWII refugee marches across a snow-blasted tundra. The only thing missing is the stiff frozen arm of a corpse sticking out of a snowdrift :o

Looking at the radar we're in the clearance just now but surrounded by a comma of cloud to the north, the west and the south .. and the whole comma itself is moving due south. If it doesn't dissipate we might get another parting gift from Fife in an hour or so

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Wouldn't worry too much HS. Looks like most of in the east/central/north us are in the (ahem) warmer side of the feature and sitting at 0+,1,2 degrees ... its the price we pay for having snow at all, its often marginal one side or the other. Might be some minor thawing on house roofs, car roofs as the day goes on but the ground temperature will be resolutely zero or below I'd think just now ... its not going to take much of a hit at ground level. Even a snow-paranoid like me can see that 95% of what we all have around us is going precisely nowhere !

Really need rid of that cloud sheet now or a thaw will start Temp. 0.9C, DP 0.6C.

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Lived in the same street here in Leith for 17 years, heaviest snow we've had in all that time.

Not measured it yet but looks about 4 or 5 inches level snow. All the classic old-school snowfall indicators are on display. Its drifted and sculpted around parked cars and on roofs and chimneys. No pavement/gutter/street transition at all. Banked into peoples window ledges and up against their windows. And thats Leith - higher parts of town Liberton, Gilmerton and (gulp) Fairmilehead must just be plain off the scale this morning. Total Christmas card Edinburgh wide !

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Seems to be 0+, 1 or 2 degrees in most of the air behind the "L" just now ... seems to have displaced the frigid local cold pool that we had up until end of yesterday.

Not concerned. Snow cover at ground level is extensive and the low ground temperatures will hold onto anything thats lying currently. We can afford a bit of wobbling around the 0 mark I think.

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If it does, then many of us *might* get a second bite at the cherry !

IT should pull east in the North Sea following the low.

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Don't want to be too hard on the metoffice but what the hell I will.

If they spent less time hand-wringing on global warming and hundreds of millions of quid on global warming forecast models ...

.. and spent more time and attention on local forecasting, looking out of the window and using their own radar ...

then they'd be doing a damn sight better job.

The current UK-wide snow lets them off the hook. In terms of local forecasting in Scotland though this past week they've been downright shabby on many days and in many parts of the country.

The met office are making this up as they go along. No good for a layman. I went to bed at 10.30 with no warnings for Fife, I get up at 7am with 3 inches of fresh snow and a weather warning for heavy snow, which has already past.

http://www.metoffice...ings.html?day=1

Stirlingshire and Clackmannanshire don't have warnings, and where is it currently snowing?!

Also anyone seen the GFS 00z ensembles this morning? Looking good.

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Cant tell yet if the current "L" shape of this cloud and snow is stil moving southwards and westwards ... whether it will split ... move east ... or just fizzle out. We took the hit from the bottm of "the L" but what happens now ? All bets are off !

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I'm sure we'll get a few posts from the regulars up there. Looks like they're at least temporarily sitting in a maritime 3c after the relatively slack flow they've had the last few days.

They can probably take a hit for a few hours in 2-3c without losing too much snow cover ... probably making the current snow a bit wet and claggy just now though, at least at street level.

Can anyone confirm, has it turnred milder with rain across Aberdeen??

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Prolonged blizzard just slowing up now in Leith. Drifting in weird shapes all up and down the road everything covered to a serious depth. Probably even worse up town. Main roads covered - no gritters.

Credit to LS, Shuggee and otthers who saw this coming as the day wore on yesterday. The metoffice/Heather the weather ... didn't even get a sniff at it.

Probably Edinburghs worst snow in 15-20 years !

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In one of my other favourite mini-obsessions in this cold spell I'm trying to guess the eastwards track of the snow in the west from its recent movement. If I had to guess just now, then its on track to skirt to the south of Edinburgh meaning the borders would land the prize later tonight. Plenty time to go though and it could head a little north as it heads east - too early to tell for sure.

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Sorry I'm being a bit dim here. I can see the blob covering Glasgow/central-west but the metoffce charts aren't too helpful in characterising this one ... what exactly is the feature thats moving west-to-east today across southern-central parts ? Small low, organised trough ?

Not that I'm bleating for more. Just took the youngster sledging on Calton Hill at the top of Leith Walk ... about 4 inches up there .. I'm already well happy and (tempting fate here I know...) a white Xmas in all the ways that matters (snow on the ground) already looks set for Embra/Leith. Happy days. :lol:

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Another moderate snow shower in Embra/Leith and again a direct hit on the radar sitting right over the city. Last nights showers hit us from the SW, this one came down the estuary from the WNW. Total bonus events and the 8 year old will be hyper when he sees out the window this morning ! Like many here, its the 6th consecutive day we've had snow falling and only now does it look like a truly worthwhile covering for some snow fun and games.

Edit: reporting rain at the airport but its definitely non-marginal snow here in town. Noticed quite a few times they've reported rain in the last few days when in fact its falling snow. Go figure !

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Seemed to intensify as it got nearer to us, god knows why. Its just finshing up after a good 40 or so delightfully slow minutes over Embra. Next landfall Fife, curious if it inensifies more over the Forth or whether its just gasped its last. That was a bonus.

Its a lottery but good luck to yourself, right place right time and you'll be sorted

That's some track for a shower though, I mean seriously?? Although it did start off life as part of a stream of showers, for whatever reason that one made it through. That is really quite impressive. 100 miles over land??

Edit: looks like it was part of a shower band stretching all the way from Glenrothes to Peebles (3 blobs). Maybe the original stream of showers that you refer to ?

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Thanks for the info CMD. From Girvan with love by the look of it and a direct hit on Embra dumping a couple of cms. Latterly it seemed to be getting guided nor-eastwards by the Pentland hills. Ridiculous size of snow flakes a few minutes ago and Leith is the whitest its been since all this kicked off on Thursday.

I think as per Shuggees post earlier almost anything could happen in the current setup, your place, my place, any place !

I don't know if you have NW Radar, but I just reversed it and watched where that "blob" over you now came from. It hit the mainland at about Girvan late afternoon yesterday, and just kept going all the way to Edinburgh. Amazing!!!! :)

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Hard to tell from my window at the moment, but it looks like we're taking a direct hit from a big snow shower!!

First part of 2 blobs of showers heading over from Embra ? The first one was light but this second one is pretty decent, even in Leith. Its gone all white again and bizarrely I watched this one on the radar come out of virtually nothing 30 to 40 minutes ago. Just expanded and consolidated as it got nearer Edinburgh. Slow moving and doing a nice job here !

Edit: bizarre, on the radar its just about sitting withing the entire city boundary and almost stationary. Heaviest snow we've had for a few days !

Edit: unexpected winter wonderland outside.

Edit: tipping it down outside the window. White white white !

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SEveral of thye Beeb forecasts are suggesting snow on Wednesday and it appears from there charts to be on the east side of Scotland and NE England.

Any reason for this you think, or just just a generalisation on there slightly inacurate charts???

I don't take the Beebs charts at all seriously since they pretty much abandoned pressure charts and replaced them with colour graphics and semi-random shading/polka dots for rain/snow.

Heather had it down as east-coast sleet/rain and to be honest good riddance to her. She badly missed a predictable synoptic pattern last week with the easterly and then was absolutely squirming on the Xmas day forecast ... suggesting "white with frost". I'm well aware of the met-office definition of a white Xmas but more pragmatically if theres snow on the ground most of us would call it a white Xmas. Would have been sensible for Heather to indicate that with no real thaw for those who already have snow... that to all intents and purposes a white Xmas is in the offing.

Close the door behind you "Heather the weather"

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Good to see the BBC 6 o'clock national news running reports from the frozen north, about the heavy snow and airport closures...

...Leeds and Manchester.

Ahem.

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Glasgow and Greenock both 3c reporting rain. Edinburgh 2c reporting rain.

Total pants

Oh well.......

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That part of your quote just describes our other halves, not the weather :whistling:

Edit: Just stuck my head out the bathroom window and it can only be categorised as "slushing it down". Don't ask.

Couldn't possibly comment CMD

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just in and its raining at the momment at 700 feet asl not good cheers

scott

Nothing homogenous about this low pressure thats for sure. I think we all kind of hoped it'd be a low-pressure snow event - turning out to be a real mixture though of localised temperature rises and drops, snow, then rain, then snow, then drizzle/rain ... a total and utter mess really.

Saw the ITV met forecast an hour or so ago. Way off the mark on tonights Scottish minimums ... suggesting -3 generally. Suspect that many of us from Dundee southwards will struggle to do any better than 0 or 1c. Too much cloud cover, onshore wind from the west is sourced too locally (its no longer an arctic fetch) ... starting to think its heading just the wrong side of marginal.

Not complaining, still an interesting setup

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ROFL :lol:

I think my wife views my weather obession with equal suspicion and she's had to put up with it over 15 years of marriage. As obsessions go though its one of the best. Right at the heart of how the natural world operates around us, never the same, often hard to predict but always bloody interesting !

Thanks for this by-tor :lol:

I agree with you regarding the winter only starting tomorrow. I always feel we are more likely to get snow in March than December. March 2006 is a good case of this. Indeed, we have never had deep snow in Dec here, well, at least in the 25+ years of memory of my 31 years of life.

I'm only so frustrated about the weather because I'm on this damn 'puter hour after hour weather watching and told the Mrs and kids this morning that we were going to get a pasting. Now the kids think I'm the worst Dad ever and the Mrs thinks I am looking at porn all day.

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Commiserations CMD, I've also had a few of these events - or similar - come my way. Lost 2 jobs in previous recessions so know the feeling.

On the weather side, tomorrow is the official beginning of meteorological winter ... Dec 21st to March 21st. This current spell we're having is just a bonus I feel, before the next 12 weeks kick-in. I share your frustrations but the weather does what it wants and sometimes we put too much store in what the experts say. As we've seen from the last few days they're often wrong with the details. Que sera sera !

Enjoy the beer :lol:

I also wouldn't be surprised to see me in a crumpled heap crying my eyes out by tomorrow. I seem to be on an eternal jinx at the moment. Not only did I lose my job this week, I also failed my dissertation at uni recently, MrsCatch seems to have gestational diabetes again with No.3Catch, I tried selling some fairly expensive-ish stuff for my mum on e-bay which went for buttons, then today the snow did a no-show and the chicken nuggets and onion rings which I made for the kids for tea (from scratch) went uneaten. Plus the shower which just came over was of rain. I hate this smilie but I do feel it is now appropriate:

:) :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

At least my beer is cold.

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Edin airport reporting 2c , DP 0c ... Glasgow airport 2c, DP 1c

All this scuddy non-snowing cloud is holding temperatures up and theres a danger through the central belt of any lying snow taking a slow but gradual hit as time goes on. Wouldn't be too surprising to see 3s,4's and 5s in many sea-level locations from west to east through the central belt tomorrow if this is the pattern.