Manmade Climate Change Discussion

[be cause]

is this the new way .. above we see a one sided conversation ..the other side being on a thread we know not where ...  pure genius ?

[Gray-Wolf]

EDIT: Let's not go there?

Edited July 10, 2013 by Gray-Wolf

[knocker]

“This case is outrageous. I shall be finding out further details from Professor Salby and shall then arrange for powerful backers to assist him in fighting the university, which – if his side of the story is in all material respects true – has committed multiple criminal offenses. This needs to be a high-profile case.†Christopher Monckton

 

 

Interesting, I didn't realize he was still out on license.

[Methuselah]

Interesting, I didn't realize he was still out on license.

He was in 2012... http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/lord-monckton-obama-is-an-illegal-president/

 

http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord-moncktons-rap-sheet/

[knocker]

Arguing with deniers of any stripe gets tiresome quickly. They trot out old, already-debunked points, misuse known science, or sow confusion where none exists. Countering their nonsense is like trying to dig a hole in water.

 

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/07/10/global_warming_wall_street_journal_writer_matt_ridley_doubles_down_on_global.html

 

Gavin Schmidt thought this a good re-response to a poor re-article.

Edited July 10, 2013 by knocker

[knocker]

Arctic misrepresentations

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/07/arctic-misrepresentations/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Methuselah]

Arctic misrepresentations

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/07/arctic-misrepresentations/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

What would the 'sceptics' have, in their armoury, if it weren't for the litany of crude misrepresentations? Nothing?

[Devonian]

Arctic misrepresentations

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/07/arctic-misrepresentations/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Christopher Booker misquotes a scientist. Then Andrew Neil does the same. Despite the abundantly clear response of the scientist concerned neither of them withdraw the misquotes. It's not unexpected to see this from Mr Booker, it's sad to see it from Mr Neil. I'll not trust either of them from now on. Edited July 12, 2013 by Devonian

[Devonian]

@ sceptical inquirer.

 

If you show me similar examples from the Guardian, or whatever blog/media/person of course I'd show the same contempt for them. I don't, though, condemn anyone or thing without evidence for the accusation.

[Methuselah]

And, yet more drivel? http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/just_the_facts_maam1/

[knocker]

Arctic sea ice extent over the past 1450 years Kinnard et al (2011) Falling off the table!

 

http://twitpic.com/d29wlc

 

[knocker]

A Scott a Mandia tweet.

 

Then Joe laminate floori should view first two images here. How can he think this off the chart rise CO2 is natural? http://1.usa.gov/178ykLK

Edited July 12, 2013 by knocker

[Methuselah]

That all the ever do, knocker: flood the media with nonsense. So much so, that no-one really knows what's actually happening...Nothing but a snowjob.

[knocker]

And the problem is Pete a lot of people lap it up.

[loafer]

A Scott a Mandia tweet.

 

Then Joe laminate floori should view first two images here. How can he think this off the chart rise CO2 is natural? http://1.usa.gov/178ykLK

No-one logical could believe that the rise in CO2 is anything other than as a result of man, the industrial revolution and the use of fossil fuels.

Surely the issue is over the degree of impact, not cause?

[knocker]

It is with most Loafer. But impacts.

 

As the western U.S. continues to bake in 100-plus degree heat, the high temperatures are making pavement buckle and power lines droop. Vicki Arroyo of the Georgetown Climate Center talks about heat's effects on infrastructure, and how cities can adapt for increasing temperatures.

 

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/05/199025501/with-rising-temperatures-infrastructure-falters

[knocker]

Everything is coming together as it seems God's a 'warmist'

 

.200+ evangelical scientists call on Congress to act on climate change

 

http://sojo.net/sites/default/files/Evangelical%20Scientists%20Initiative%20letter%20with%20signatures.pdf

[Methuselah]

Good for them!

[Gray-Wolf]

Sadly Pete I believe that there are more folk , of the Christian faith in the U.S., that are 'End Timers' and this this a a quickening toward the final reckoning?

 

Any trawl of the net brings up endless vids showing compilations of the earth changes AGW is driving and calling them 'Signs'. I believe this 'Joyous Fatalism' of 'Rapture Waiters' is not a force that can be ignored?

 

I remember the guy who inherited 'The Button' when Reagan was shot had been quoted in saying that maybe we should go down the path of M.A.D. as God would sort out the good guys from the bad............ a taste of that here methinks???

[Methuselah]

This from the other place: http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-01-0010.pdf

 

Apparently, it has relevance to the AGW debate; however, I can't see what that might be. Can anyone shed any light? 

[knocker]

Someone has tweeted Scott A Mandia and asked seriously need to know how one becomes a zombie on the Walking Dead? Scott replied Just read Heartland's NIPCC Report. That'll do it.

 

I had to refresh my memory on this. Dear oh dear.

 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/denialgate-highlights-heartlands-selective-nipcc-science.html

[Methuselah]

Just in case no one's posted this one before: http://www.chasingice.com/

[crikey]

BNS said

This from the other place: http://docs.lib.noaa...050-01-0010.pdf

 

Apparently, it has relevance to the AGW debate; however, I can't see what that might be. Can anyone shed any light? 

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and your point is??

 

The residents celebrated the 100th anniversary of that record of 134 deg c on the 13th July 2013 

 

 

Join the Celebration:
On July 10th, 1913 the weather observer at Greenland Ranch in Death Valley, California recorded a high temperature of 134°F (56.7°C). This is the highest reliably recorded air temperature on Earth. Please join us at the Furnace Creek Visitor Center on Wednesday, July 10th, 2013 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the world record high temperature.

By attending you will:

 

 

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/deathvalley/

 

 

 

 

The record has not been broken at Greenranch Death valley California during the recent heatwave in 2013 ??.

 

Gee it pays to check the claims made on forums..

 

please explain?

 

 

[crikey]

Record temperature in the southern hemisphere still holds as well

 

NO NEW RECORD despite some higher temps' in  OZ this decade

http://wmo.asu.edu/

 

1960 was the year of the highest temperature In Australia and southern hemisphere

 

The weather station at Oodnadatta opened in 1939

 

 

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=122&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=2013&p_c=-58154612&p_stn_num=017043

 

 

southern hemisphere Highest Temperature     50.7°C (123°F) 2/1/1960 59 years Oodnadatta,   Australia   27°32'S, 135°26'E

112m (367 ft)

Edited July 14, 2013 by crikey

[Polar Maritime]

SPACE WEATHER BALLOON UPDATE: Last month, a record-setting heat wave swept across the southwestern USA, with temperatures in Death Valley and surrounding areas jumping as high as 54 C (129 F). The student scientists of Earth to Sky Calculus decided to find out if the heat wave extended all the way to the edge of space. So, on June 30th when the temperature in their hometown Bishop, CA, was 42 C (108 F), they launched a research balloon to the stratosphere. An onboard cryogenic thermometer measured the temperature all the way up to 90,000 feet above sea level. This is what they found: The heat wave did not reach into the stratosphere. http://www.spaceweather.com/