Jump to content
Snow?
Local
Radar
Cold?
IGNORED

Models, teleconnections and nowcasting


Paul

Recommended Posts

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The ext anomalies this morning moving towards the position illustrated above from the EC weeklies update, albeit the GEFS retaining risge/trough amplification north of the UK/Europe

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0710400.thumb.png.45c24402138f71e6191ff25c45f750b6.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0710400.thumb.png.b3808c5079ea33e3075cf156287554b0.png

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-eur-t2m_c_anom_5day-0710400.thumb.png.1f02ec7476e8bf2d7cc4a7455172058f.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-eur-t2m_c_anom_5day-0710400.thumb.png.30ebfd4d85c9d66b9b9053e6e4d1f02e.png

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Snow,Thunderstorms mix both for heaven THUNDERSNOW 😜😀🤤🥰
  • Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland 20m ASL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The GEFS ans EPS start diverging post t120 and by t140 this is the position

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-nhemi-z500_anom-0062400.thumb.png.41ea33c8251f837eaa1093e7c0524785.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-nhemi-z500_anom-0062400.thumb.png.d5b62f572db8164744742a99970b0306.png

And around this time the TS enters the fray and whether to phase or not so that by day ten this is the position of the medium term anomalies

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-nhemi-z500_anom-0062400.thumb.png.41ea33c8251f837eaa1093e7c0524785.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-nhemi-z500_anom-0062400.thumb.png.d5b62f572db8164744742a99970b0306.png

Clearly this will not do and until this is sorted a watching brief regarding detail in this period is the percentage play

NOAA

610day_03.thumb.gif.4bc817b1704f73c4dfe6a79a66cabd98.gif

Edited by knocker
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The North Atlantic 500mb and surface analysis for midnight and sat image

gfs-deterministic-natl_wide-z500_anom-9587200.thumb.png.fb0a96c6753405893bc02b9bfd71f8e6.pngPPVA89.thumb.gif.cc12ac97b310b8e4f89c24593423f75e.gifsat.thumb.JPG.a2ba071b119bd9846f040accbd4b1e44.JPG

After a frosty start in some places today should be mostly fine and sunny over England and Wales but cloudier in the north with some rain over northern Scotland, courtesy of the close proximity of the front

PPVE89.thumb.gif.146905c8201a9bc34fac6b6125fe80b5.gifgfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-9652000.thumb.png.a1dc6908c931fd304cc3d2e56dd1a32f.png

Clear again tonight over the south with maybe a touch of frost in places but the frontal system, including a warm upper front. will bring cloud rain/drizzle to the north

PPVG89.thumb.gif.fa5c6ea31c891481d0aafe83c637fdbb.gifgfs-deterministic-uk-precip_6hr_inch-9706000.thumb.png.dc93e35721bd481b70893d0b72879291.png

Another sunny and quite warm day over much of England and Wales on Sunday, but cloudier with patchy rain/drizzle in the north and much cooler

PPVI89.thumb.gif.91d38459f759599dd8e9a40a804cb74b.gifgfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-9738400.thumb.png.33227b277535e0aec1b7c59e24b2765a.png

Again generally sunny on Monday and getting warmer in the south, and some eastern northern regions, but the waving cold front will bring cloud and patchy rain to N. Ireland, Scotland and northern England

PPVJ89.thumb.gif.1c29b4486da1309ef8cb8db67a6536db.gifPPVK89.thumb.gif.9dc251523a7239c542f62dfde2f4f286.gifgfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-9824800.thumb.png.ac049447d1515fbf7daa1018c0cacc72.png

By Tuesday a stationary trough dominates the Atlantic as the subtropical high zones start to amplify so any fronts merely just impact the far NW whilst temps rise over much of the country. Perhaps the odd shower in eastern regions of England

gfs-deterministic-natl_wide-z500_anom-9889600.thumb.png.b91b597845393db00ab14b15e834acf9.pngPPVM89.thumb.gif.f16ee86eebfe76f114542ca990a14fc8.gifgfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-9911200.thumb.png.d0a5c03c9be9f6c11106ec7e18024b48.png

And thus on to a sunny and warm day on Wednesday

gfs-deterministic-natl_wide-z500_anom-9889600.thumb.png.b91b597845393db00ab14b15e834acf9.pngPPVM89.thumb.gif.f16ee86eebfe76f114542ca990a14fc8.gifgfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-9911200.thumb.png.d0a5c03c9be9f6c11106ec7e18024b48.png

 

Edited by knocker
  • Thanks 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The next few days are tricky and I'm not inclined to venture too far with any detail.

By t132 developments are concurring under the umbrella of the upper trough dominating the Atlantic and a surface low has tracked east into Ireland

gfs-deterministic-natl_wide-vort500_z500-0062400.thumb.png.7b6ae1690ffd0415ea6baa2f51fbac54.png132.thumb.png.fb30e7a125576f8bc8f9a924155aa06d.pnggfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-0084000.thumb.png.fc45ac8a684b3c612b3286e1293b1331.png

Over Friday and saturday the trough is 'topped' up from Canada and it realigns as it battles against the amplifying ridge

gfs-deterministic-natl_wide-z300_speed-0235200.thumb.png.ab2f39b8753127b0ec09f123129b74f9.pnggfs-deterministic-natl_wide-z500_anom-0235200.thumb.png.1bfb4e0bbef359d0e0a303d6c954ee46.pnggfs-deterministic-natl_wide-t850_anom_stream-0235200.thumb.png.bb143d6c0a2833af19f581910b028da1.png

Could be quite wet and windy for some regions

156.thumb.png.145c939c2c64656243c96796305ab5a7.pnggfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-0170400.thumb.png.c0b16f0ad96acf5d2ac218dde67ecc22.png

180.thumb.png.0d26c1cc4cd8064fc922431309fa7604.pnggfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-0256800.thumb.png.044604dcfd8a33a0af7260cb2c2bac8c.png

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Some differences with the ext anomalies this morning with the EPS favoring retention of amplification of the subtropical high. This much in line with yesterdays weeklies update but probably a good time to point out that it very quickly became quite similar to the GEFS take on things at the very beginning of June. Either way, with the Atlantic and Europe trending positively anomalous nothing drastic is indicated with temps above average with the NW again attracting most of the precipitation

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0796800.thumb.png.36db50755a99c20e32cd38230d54ade6.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0796800.thumb.png.16eaf18e3031c02301ff21f4891700d0.png814day_03.thumb.gif.007a5feb5c56614e3e9844e2ddbbe1f5.gif

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-eur-t2m_c_anom_5day-0796800.thumb.png.cc791d207ed16c06d22e2732022a89b6.pngecmwf-ensemble-avg-eur-precip_168hr_inch-0796800.thumb.png.34106803fa2250684ac246a7e0d54840.png

gfs-ensemble-all-avg-eur-t2m_c_anom_5day-0796800.thumb.png.5d8bf1b2060bf6fd68c9e739556d0d95.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-eur-precip_168hr_inch-0192000.thumb.png.fe861031ff04dd56d3ddb1f43a63d232.png

 

 

Edited by knocker
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The medium and high cloud mentioned above illustrated well on the Camborne sounding Still some quite interesting Ac here Lerwick behind the cold front but close to the occlusion

PPVA89.thumb.gif.1b98387264161a2156b578f5f7137412.gif2020051612.03808.skewt_parc.thumb.gif.63c7db0a73200a6c38681614c3e68c3b.gif2020051612.03005.skewt_parc.thumb.gif.223ea8f4ac3564a4f5727cd47c92741a.gif

Edited by knocker
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The gfs has developments within the Atlantic trough by 00 Thursday which continue over the next 24 hours bringing some wet and windy weather NW/W regions

gfs-deterministic-natl_wide-vort500_z500-0019200.thumb.png.fca0af9f505ddde5f1185c7c26efcb9c.png120.thumb.png.0b344cc95b797cf02a875bbe8ab84e2e.pnggfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-0084000.thumb.png.e0c06e208d618f46d5670e96d0153b94.pnggfs-deterministic-natl_wide-vort500_z500-0105600.thumb.png.8c9e9da73159367fce69770ea9760406.png144.thumb.png.35b516b282f4204c4d81a118ac189b7d.pnggfs-deterministic-uk-t2m_c_max6-0170400.thumb.png.ebe42ec07cf88fbb57ca84d666239693.png

Edited by knocker
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

In the medium term the gfs is indicating suppression of the subtropical high by the eastbound energy before a mid Atlantic resurgence by the end. Thus continuing unsettled. Not forgetting of course that the detail in this period ia long way from a slam dunk

gfs-deterministic-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0494400.thumb.png.13df7ac662ab532251c1d992e744db1f.pnggfs-deterministic-nhemi-z300_speed-0494400.thumb.png.b5d62c19ddcc8cad70978d78adcfa7ff.pnggfs-deterministic-eur-t2m_c_anom_5day-0494400.thumb.png.5c46e760712019cc5b46fcbf744c740b.png68.thumb.png.b83926cea09a30612ef54bfa5d379613.png192.thumb.png.2e0906bc8bd321eba22cf5cdcd520562.png

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

According to the ecm In the medium term the east bound/trough remains the main influence but this tending to a N/S split across the UK. Not particularly interested in any further mid Atlantic amplification but bringing the subtropical high more into play nearer the UK late on

ecmwf-deterministic-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0472800.thumb.png.5f49303fba432157b45c1a674d612bd4.pngecmwf-deterministic-nhemi-z300_speed-0494400.thumb.png.6ab330b2034ee458716ccc6a889bedcb.pngecmwf-deterministic-eur-t2m_c_anom_5day-0494400.thumb.png.8185060312b9920e67f6d35b64190f96.png

168.thumb.png.9115be8692b330e02acbe2e66979413e.png192.thumb.png.1becc697879b9c7d3684782d6d372b2b.png216.thumb.png.f8c965bc6a8e76bbecd9999a3760af80.png

Edited by knocker
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

The ext anomalies in pretty good agreement this evening.

Ridge NW North America adjacent to a weak tpv with cenre northern Canada and ext slack trough south east to Iceland. South of this a relatively benign westerly upper flow across a trending positively anomalous Atlantic, So nothing nasty lurking in the woodshed portending a faitly dry and quite pleasant period with temps around average

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0840000.thumb.png.52ac61d76491e158a2015538d7c78f11.pnggfs-ensemble-all-avg-nhemi-z500_anom_5day-0840000.thumb.png.c20ca49f9516d870824c2de5d1d47ef1.png814day_03.thumb.gif.9918f88dcc01ae15855c05f16bbc83c1.gif

ecmwf-ensemble-avg-uk-precip_96hr_inch-0926400.thumb.png.1f7f9288cfc996e41bc43c1c82dec311.pngecmwf-ensemble-avg-uk-t2m_c_anom_5day-0926400.thumb.png.b57db219f5154349afbe08d0fa84b393.png

  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne

Over the next couple of days the ecm has a trough breaking away from the main trough in the Atlantic which brings some wet and windy weather to the country, particularly in the north where there could well be gales in exposed areas

ecmwf-deterministic-nhemi-z500_anom-0148800.thumb.png.d51918c233a20f318cbfb46e2639e491.pngecmwf-deterministic-nhemi-z500_anom-0235200.thumb.png.3dfce84199b9daaa14c0c10d06cffff8.pngecmwf-deterministic-nhemi-z300_speed-0235200.thumb.png.3f4c0b2e994ca3939c24cf9bac9511f2.png132.thumb.png.54a84ac29e53ec2567d70107ea1f721e.png156.thumb.png.65814b42a783db6c26ffccd4915a0b5e.png180.thumb.png.27932611566b0a6b9915a57787ccdb26.png

 

Edited by knocker
  • Like 2
  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: chellaston, derby
  • Weather Preferences: The Actual Weather ..... not fantasy.
  • Location: chellaston, derby
16 hours ago, knocker said:

The medium and high cloud mentioned above illustrated well on the Camborne sounding Still some quite interesting Ac here Lerwick behind the cold front but close to the occlusion

PPVA89.thumb.gif.1b98387264161a2156b578f5f7137412.gif2020051612.03808.skewt_parc.thumb.gif.63c7db0a73200a6c38681614c3e68c3b.gif2020051612.03005.skewt_parc.thumb.gif.223ea8f4ac3564a4f5727cd47c92741a.gif

Ok, im still getting to grips with these charts...... how does the Ci and Ac , manifest on these charts?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: Camborne
  • Location: Camborne
27 minutes ago, mushymanrob said:

Ok, im still getting to grips with these charts...... how does the Ci and Ac , manifest on these charts?

Looking at the Camborne ascent the right hand line represents the temperature and the left the dew point. As can be seen the is a big difference between 900mb to 700mb which indicates a dry (relatively) layer

Above that the dew point rises (gets closer to the temp) indicating the air is becoming very moist again. At certain spots, 660, 590 and 380mb it is the same as the temp which indicates 100% humidity and a likely cloud layer. The heights for these levels can be roughly ascertained on the left of the diagram. In this case Ci and medium level cloud

Hope this helps mushy

Edited by knocker
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Posted
  • Location: chellaston, derby
  • Weather Preferences: The Actual Weather ..... not fantasy.
  • Location: chellaston, derby
48 minutes ago, knocker said:

Looking at the Camborne ascent the right hand line represents the temperature and the left the dew point. As can be seen the is a big difference between 900mb to 700mb which indicates a dry (relatively) layer

Above that the dew point rises (gets closer to the temp) indicating the air is becoming very moist again. At certain spots, 660, 590 and 380mb it is the same as the temp which indicates 100% humidity and a likely cloud layer. The heights for these levels can be roughly ascertained on the left of the diagram. In this case Ci and medium level cloud

Hope this helps mushy

Yep, thanks a lot for that, appreciated.. i thought that was the case... just a bit unsure.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Risk of thunderstorms overnight with lightning and hail

    Northern France has warnings for thunderstorms for the start of May. With favourable ingredients of warm moist air, high CAPE and a warm front, southern Britain could see storms, hail and lightning. Read more here

    Jo Farrow
    Jo Farrow
    Latest weather updates from Netweather

    UK Storm and Severe Convective Forecast

    UK Severe Convective & Storm Forecast - Issued 2024-05-01 08:45:04 Valid: 01/05/2024 0600 - 02/03/2024 0600 SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH - 01-02 MAY 2024 Click here for the full forecast

    Nick F
    Nick F
    Latest weather updates from Netweather

    Warming up this week but looking mixed for Bank Holiday weekend

    In the sunshine this week, it will feel warmer, with temperatures nudging up through the teens, even past 20C. However, the Bank Holiday weekend is looking a bit mixed. Read the full update here

    Netweather forecasts
    Netweather forecasts
    Latest weather updates from Netweather
×
×
  • Create New...