[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

GW there is a 'cost' in taking action, which is hardly ever mentioned If I went into a factory and said based on your 2003 electricity use you should spend £55,000 on these energy saving lights I would be laughed of the site People want to see undisputed factual evidence.that show irrefutable proof that man is causing rapid global warming. I use 'rapid' because if its 1c in 200yrs then people will not want to pay the 'cost' of taking action.

Indeed, but when as factual evidence ever got in the way of catastrophic headline grabbing sound bites, which we see daily being portrayed over on the manmade thread. Until we see a far more factual and less emotive degree of reporting then the general public will always view climate change with a degree of scepticism, t'others can argue all they like but the general consensus will remain the same until there is a change in how the science and it's uncertainties are presented. Will it happen I'm the near future, I doubt it as there are far too many vested interest in the doomsday scenario presented not by the scientist themselves but by the lobby groups with ulterior motives.

[Manmade Climate Change Discussion]

SI, by all means carry as you are with your content free little jibes but at least do as most of us, Knocker included now, and keep it to the ONE of the two (sceptic/manmade) possible threads...

Fair do's Dev. Just to add my rant wasn't aimed at yourself or a couple of other posters on here, just one or two.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

What an amazing mind and ego you have. You manage to delve into the complexity of climate change without the need to read scientific papers from scientists of various disciplines who might, just might, know more about the subject than you do. I assume this explains the invisible links as they are only connected to your ego brain. Perhaps an example of your scientific reasoning.

Not at all, I just don't believe in all those fables I keep reading. As for my scientific reasoning may I suggest you read some of postings from previous threads. As for my comment on your links that you post, for amusement value I rate them highly but for factual evidence and scientific reasoning they are the standard fayre of the spoon fed it must be right coz a scientists says so brigade.

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http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/76448-scepticism-of-man-made-climate-change/page-41#entry2845205

 

I see you have become one of Mr Watts band of acolytes. It's a pity you don't abandon the boring invective and direct your thoughts to some constructive scientific reasoning for a change. Perhaps that's too much to ask as that's probably a concept you are not familiar with.

Lol, you mean like how you copy and paste link after link of the same old, same old. I've given plenty of scientific reasoning which I managed to do all by myself, but  some here have difficulty doing this as they like to be spoon fed theirs.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

Over on t'other thread Mr Misleader himself now implies global temps  themselves aren't that important, well he would wouldn't he, just like when they wasn't that important when they was rising. This lot don't just want to  move the goalpost, they want to reinvent the whole set of rules for the game.

[Winter 2013-2014 Discussion- Part 2]

The latest met office contingency planners forecast favours a colder than average December along with January and February

 

Forecast models favour a negative NAO pattern this winter, with high pressure areas more likely to be centred over or close to the UK

Maybe you should pin this to your signature SS, that way anyone who accuses you of trolling can see that you obviously posts what the charts and long rangers are showing.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

Or maybe it just means that we are still struggling to understand the impact of an overall increasing global temperature at a local level ?

Or maybe we've way overestimated them, which is looking the form horse at this moment in time.

[Manmade Climate Change Discussion]

So what if todays predictions end up like yesteryears, do we simply airbrush them out and start again every time those predictions fail, or would a far more simplistic approach be better in saying scenario x may happen, instead of implying it's likely to happen. 

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Just when you think your internal sceptic might withering away, along comes Sssssh, You Know Who: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/31/prince-charles-blames-syria-civil-war-on-global-warming/

Lol, even GW wouldn't go as far as that. Maybe it's the climate that makes the average British 17-25 year old male such a knuckledragger on a weekend night out, just a thought.

[Winter 2013-2014 Discussion- Part 2]

Brian Gaza? I think he works for the Palestinian Meteorological Organization?

Perhaps that's one of them BOOM charts which keeps getting highlighted on the MOD thread.

[Model Output Discussion 18th Nov.2013-12z onwards.]

But at least it will be mild 

If that floats your boat then yes.

[Model Output Discussion 18th Nov.2013-12z onwards.]

One word sums up the next 7 days, repetitive. High pressure slowly sinking SW allowing mild and probably murky weather  from Tuesday onwards.

[Winter 2013-2014 Discussion- Part 2]

another little video here

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6WZeKFHGkM

It took me ruddy half an hour to work out who B.U.S were.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

So they have found the missing heat

 

Because apparently the HadCRUT4 dataset, only covers about five-sixths of the globe this suggested that global warming has slowed substantially since 1997

 

So its all in the artic

 

But   IPCC say “â€â€Instrumental observations over the past 157 years show that temperatures at the surface have risen globallyâ€â€â€

 

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-3-1.html

 

So when they cant find the heat  they find new areas' which were never part of 'Global' before ?

 

What was Global in 1860s ? Europe and Eastern USA ?

It's a case of find wally, he's here somewhere, can you see him, no  not over there.

[The Seasonal Forecast Thread]

I agree with you with you for the first two thirds of December Fred but thereafter I see another mid Atlantic ridge taking hold, though this time I see it ridging into Greenland and then this being the catalyst for an extended cold spell lasting throughout the majority of January at least. Then I see February being a mild and wet month proceeding a March similar to last year.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

GW, captain misleader himself is accusing us all of playing dumb on this thread, would that be the same dumb that cannot work out where the missing heat content is now, is it behind you GW, are you sure?

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

So the missing heat was first in the oceans then it absconded to the ice and now rumour has it it's waiting at Cape Canaveral  in order to be launched into space.

[Model Output Discussion 18th Nov.2013-12z onwards.]

There has been a change in the Ecm 00z ensemble mean since the 12z last night, by the weekend the high is further east which means the showery N'ly for the east has gone, it's been shunted much further to the east, however, the ecm mean is cold and anticyclonic with light winds, widespread sharp frosts and an increasing risk of freezing fog. Eventually the high begins to drift southeast but even by T+240 hours it's still covering the whole of the uk but beyond that, the atlantic is knocking on the door to the northwest of the BI but it could mean a spell of cold zonality with the jet axis wnw / ese or better still, nw / se.......but that's into early december and a lot will change, definate eastward shift in the ecm pattern though.

Thats were I envisage any breakdown to come from Frosty, but it won't be a mild pattern rathe like you say cold zonality and with our own cold pool already in place it could surprise a few of us.

[North West Regional Discussion 29th March 2013 14:00hrs>]

The lightest of dustings here.

[December 2013 CET forecasts -- 2013/14 Competition]

I'm going against all the long range guesses and models and going for 2.9c A cold start followed by a mild blip before coming colder again in the final week or so.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

100% agree with you, Mike...You'd have thought that 'Green Summits' would be the first to exploit video-conferencing technology? IMO, 100 individuals in 100 private jets, all converging on some exotic location in mid-Pacific, is hardly a good example!

I think any conference which means hundreds of inviduals attending in some far flung place is outdated in the modern world, the fact that this is from a group of people lecturing us on fossil fuels and the need for reducing our reliance on them makes for comical reading, regardless of ones stance on the science.

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How do they explain a slower melt out in the Antarctica ? Looking at fresh water, wind etc doesn't seem to fit . If winds blowing ice out then one would expect to see rapid melt off ?? Maybe colder temps slows the melt  ?? New theory ?

Indeed, or maybe they just can't see the big white elephant in the room as in the colder SST's around Antarctica.

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That prediction timelapse video that was circulating a decade ago had almost everywhere glowing red by now.

Lol, don't worry four I'm pretty sure our friends from the IPCC will be working on that one and making further adjustments in order to make it look like we have warmed to those predicted rises, and if not the reasons will be as enlightening and entertaining as ever.

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

Lots or warming going on here. 

 

http://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=MOD_LSTAD_M

[Scepticism Of Man Made Climate Change]

The whole argument is not on possible outcomes but in trying to scare/convince people into believing that we are heading into the abyss, this without any credible evidence or data. A far more pragmatic approach would be to admit just how uncertain we really are and that we may end up with a negligible amount of CO2 induced warming as we simply have no way of knowing just how much impact this will have. That wouldn't mean it would have no impact but merely highlights were we are right now in terms of global surface temps.