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P1 brings back memories of 2010
P3
P4
P7
P9
P16
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P9
P7
P11
P12
P13
P15
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Two words to some up the 18z GEFS - NORTHERN BLOCKING
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P5
P8
P11
P20
ECM
GEM
I am liking the direction the models seem to be heading with this scandi high...
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2 minutes ago, feb1991blizzard said:
Big swing towards blocking on the GEFS.
yes I have been closely monitoring over the past few days and I am keeping my eye on the growing scandi high possibly retrogressing towards Greenland leading us into an easterly (trend seems to be for 2nd week of November) P12 on the 18z is about as close as the GEFS members have got so far.
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P2 & P3 try to get the scandi - Greenland heights linking, P7, P15 and P20 also keen on higher pressure over scandi, charts like these begin to move into the reliable time frame.
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ECM and GEM pretty similar at 240h, more unsettled for us especially on the ECM but higher pressure trying to link from scandi - Greenland
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Taking some of the GEFS members anomaly charts for the 300h mark still plenty showing higher pressure around scandi and some getting it into the Arctic or across towards Greenland, perhaps a more unsettled spell of weather then hopefully get blocking better aligned later in November for a shot at some colder weather.
ECM overnight run also hinted at a similar pattern
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Pretty decent GFS 18z anomaly charts the theme for northern blocking continues .....
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P12 gets heights to Greenland but ends up with more of a west based negative NAO
P16 similar
P17 gets the high over / near the uk and gets the cold building into Europe as I mentioned earlier
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GEM tries to get higher pressure pushing into Greenland at the end of the run
NAVGEM still my pick of the bunch with great placement of the scandi high
Some of today's runs struggling with where to go after the northerly / easterly, hopefully the blocking falls into place for us to receive colder weather but I think the 2nd best option would be something close to what P16 shows with the high over us and colder weather going into Europe cooling down the continent just in case we can get another easterly down the line, still lots of chopping and changing to come in the models before we get a better idea of where we are headed.
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P12 with a ridiculous amount of northern blocking
P19
P20
NAVGEM
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some videos from the hailstorm in Rome
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GFS 6z has went back in time to 2010 with these kinds of charts
before then we have the upcoming northerly and at the moment the worst of the sleet/hail/snow showers look to be around the north / west and possibly east coasts but with a strong northerly wind some of the showers should come inland too.
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GFS 6z with a near perfect blocking setup (nice to see what the GEFS members have been showing starting to appear on the main run) flashbacks to 2010, heights shooting up over Greenland and the cold over our side ready to flood in from the NE
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P1 with a near split in the pv (what there is of a pv)
P3
P7 gets close to a boom chart with the blocking to the west of greenland/ canada forcing the cold to our side
P18 the best of the bunch
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P1 scandi high with hints of retrogression
P5
P15
P19
ECM
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P4 ramps up the scandi high and gets a mega cold pool towards Russia which would be great for the snow cover
PV non existent on P11 with lots of northern blocking and cold going into Russia etc building snow cover
P12
northerly still looking good
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8 minutes ago, Mike Poole said:
as we have seen with the upcoming northerly and with scandi/greenland highs in the past some of the models are far too keen to break them down quickly, fingers crossed the scandi high can develop and hold back the lows (slider lows possibly?)
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18z has the scandi high better placed with a band of rain off the east coast moving in possibly turning wintry
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38 minutes ago, Norrance said:
Someone earlier mentioned ssts in the North Sea being too high for snow. Does anyone know what the ssts were like in October 2012 and 2008, both of which brought snow showers to low levels (widely in 2008)? I had snow falling here at sea level both years though admittedly just a flurry in 2012.
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latest sst chart does look like the current sst's are a lot cooler to the north/ north west of the uk than they were in 2012, although there was some cool water in 08, current chart looks warmer to the east/se of the uk
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6.1C and 55.4mm please
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Nice to see the ECM jumping on board with heights rising over scandi and also lows diving south
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P7, P10, P17, P19 all go the scandi high route with a couple trying to get it retrogressing to Greenland
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P2 with pretty much the perfect setup and reminiscent of 2010
P7 not far off getting the cold air in
P9
P17
P18