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Model output discussion - proper cold spell inbound?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
Wow UKMO 120 has -11c in the SE but -14c just over the channel- Both GFS & UKMO swinging to the Easterly reload like the IKON -
Model output discussion - proper cold spell inbound?
SMU replied to Paul's topic in Forecast Model Discussion
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SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 01/01/2018 onwards
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Model output discussion - proper cold spell inbound?
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SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 01/01/2018 onwards
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I got banned from TWO last week from the mild crew.. yet there happy to keep Ian brown.. -
A very poor forecast - no mention of any High pressure to the NE - That low should be going SE not East.. Also no mention of the risk that NW winds may be squeezed by Easterly Winds -
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Also yesterdays 06z ENS they are PTB 10/11 & many more are epic
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So developments this morning seem to be favouring more & more of low pressure sliding south at 120 ( variation on location ) but post that another push west of deep cold out of the continent- PTB 5 is prob the best case for all concerned 120 144
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SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 01/01/2018 onwards
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So we are now at T72 range for the deep cold to be hitting EA- My view would be that from 1pm Sunday we can start reviewing the radar for wintry flurries with the crossover more to snow late eve ( but could be a bit either side ) The variable is still the wind direction, it’s progged to be NE - indicating that Suffolk & Mid Kent etc will be exposed to snow flurries although models are beginning to make slight adjustments to a more ENE flow which would then include a larger slab of the SE seeing snow flurries - Mon / Tues are open to variability at the moment but certainly a window for a streamer- The probabilities of this are directly correlated to the Speed at which the Atlantic tries to push SE - The slower the evolution the more chance of a streamer- PS. ECM has east Kent at -8c overnight Thurs (18F) -
The Scandi High now reaches more of the UK at 96 - not the isoline shape over us- that bump means the Atlantic will struggle to get across....
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^^^ GFS 06z is in for 81/84 - Also I can see the Atlantic is tilted more Southwards v the 00z So it will make less eastward progression this run-
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Yep- also notable is the ‘flatter’ Easterly at 96 - more than most models so far- Indicating more widespread snow flurries Tues-
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^^ -10c line hits Norfolk @75.. 9am Sunday-
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Morning All So a bit of seperation on the models today - it’s the JMA 00z / ECM 00z clustered - V the GFS / UKMO 00z that are ever so slightly more progressive - The pros of the ECM are that deep cold becomes established, Ice days abound - but it could be a little drier away from the exposed E/SE etc- The UKMO/GFS blend adds a smidgeon of danger in the mix by having a weaker westerly progression of the cold ( still -9/-10) but by Tues / Weds allows the fronts to sink SE over the UK before sinking south - That would bring a lot of snow across the bulk of the UK but *may* bring slightly less cold air -( same as UKMO ) - although as said - with it all sinking south the less cold air would be more focussed on the extreme west- The ECM has round 2 from the east then round 3 snow from the west before milder air tries to encroach @ day 10 but of course that’s way out yet! All in all no downgrades - just the evolutionary developments that each suite brings... S
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News from the ENS Mean @120 for the first time has -10c into Norfolk Also in the 144-168 arena more runs deepening the Italian low pulsing Easterlies Across Europe ( one to keep an eye on ) S
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It’s a tricky call- The charts for midweek next week up till lunch today we’re orientated as an exact 50/50 split across the UK with the NW encroachment up by say Cumbria & the continental flow extent well into the midlands - The slither If milder uppers ( -6c ) was the dividing line- However ECM & GFS 18z now have made more of the bottom end of the Scandi High from 120-168 allowing for more of a ‘continued’ Easterly theme weds & beyond - Treat this like a see - saw * More Easterly strength = Less NW progression SE over the Uk & vice Verda- At the moment I think the NW flow will be very restricted to Ireland etc - with the rest of the UK very very cold ( ice days ) This is of course based on the premise that the Easterly does set up properly as depicted @96- ...
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See SE THREAD
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SE and East Anglia general weather discussion 01/01/2018 onwards
SMU replied to Captain Shortwave's topic in Regional
So the 18z it’s mental- don’t look. but here are the 850 temps from T90 to T192 in 6 hourly increments for london 90 -7c 96 -8c 102 -10c 108 -11c 114 -10c 120 -10c 126 -11c 132 -12c 138 -11c 144 -11c 150 -12c 156 -12c 162 -12c 168 -11c 174 -12c 180 -12c 186 -12c 192 -11c wow -
Out to 186 ish & prepare for the Atlantic to finally make an appearance sadly it’s only sliding south from the west so snow for any zone where there’s PPN- the rest frozen solid by then if the 18z lands
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Yes lol to The east bringing in -13/-14c air...
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