feb1991blizzard

I know people think one liners dont add anything to the debate but this one liner is the most sensible post out of the whole 68 pages.

Here is the QBO data since 1948. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/correlation/qbo.data

I am suprised that you are not a fan of the scandi high though Ian as even a moderate one in terms of intensity and longjevity would most likely give some hefty convective snowfall for you, whether it be in Norwich or Newcastle. I suppose it depends on the source of the airmass and the longjevity of the stable high to the NE of us. I can see the point about the south easterly but in 1987 and 1991 the North, North east, and North west all took a pasting from heavy showers and frontal snow although i would say that our most severe winters tend to bring the best conditions for the SE wheras the 'Normal' Battle ground scenarios bring the heaviest snow for the North and North east.

Very unlikely to veryfy but if it did there is a chance of some sleet or wet snow for Ben Nevis.

No, whether GP is right, nearly right or completely wrong with his summer forecast is irrelevant in my opinion, science and forecasting methods are only going to get better with time IMO, i know there are people that think that LRFs are not accurate enough to be published at the moment and they may have a valid argument, although i would rather have them there to be able to evaluate to be honest but the point is they are far more likely to be a thing of the future than a thing of the past as technology improves.

The winters were absolute stonkers though.1987 being the ultimate (10 days off school)

I cant belive this, he isnt specifically attacking netweathers forecast, he doesnt belive in LRFs in general so therefore why would he do one. I disagree and think they are certainly of some use, if still at the experimental stage (GPs winter forecast was a stonking effort) but the point is weather12 doesnt belive that they (LRFs) are accurate enough and that is his right, so why would he then contradict himself by doing an LRF. I also think that the level of personal abuse that weather12 has had is ridiculas and the only nastiness has been towards him and not from him.

What an excellent thread, i never knew this existed. A thread where you can talk about cold weather and snow all the year round without being slated. Thanks to Roger for his expert knowledge in the field of summer snow setups, i will view this thread on a daily basis now. Will there be a July and August version as well? i mean we have had -4 in July on Ben nevis before but i have never heard of snow in July before.

That definately is a bugbear of mine having never lived anywhere near a coast, however i suppose its swings and roundabouts as some people right on the coast even with an easterly in december were getting rain and sleet while people 5 miles or more inland were getting a real tonking. My biggest change would also be related to wanting more widespread snowfall, i would just like to see a strong scandi high every winter but as i have often commented before about these setups, the classic ones are where you get low pressure to the south or south east flinging frontal snow across the country, i would just like to see at least one of those per winter even if it was just for a week or so just so the whole country gets something and no one is disappointed.

We need more thunder though. The rain only looks like a shower. Pity because if this carried on for any length of time then we might get some localised flooding out of it.

Heavy hail and rain now. This is a stonker.

Rumble of thunder hear. I just hope we get more, Rain not heavy enough for my liking though.

That one was a stonker here i think it was the 1st dec between 0030 and 0300 we had six inches, i desperately hope for a quality winter this year.

Yes a very nice day here as well. I wish i could have this comfortable weather all summer.

ECM 0z is a stonker.

Yes there would be benefit of an ice age. We would definately have a stonker chart out of that.

I do, i find it absolutely magical. I really dont care, i just crave one magical winter where the 62,669,672,635 are all closed meaning i am completely cut off for weeks. please give me one

Certainly chilly but i wouldnt call it disappointing.

Yes i totally agree. There was one day in Jan winter just gone and i walked up the shop in 2c and it was really raw and you couldnt see the moor and i was less than a hundred yards from it, it was a beautifull feeling though.

Definately some cold showery weather in store for the North this week going on model output and forecasts.

Lovely cloudy weather here and looks good for some rain this week for the north with low pressure limpeting itself to Northern Britain.

The idiot feb1991blizzard has been piping up all over the forums again the last 24 hours.

Looking good for some more cool weather after this weekend which i didnt expect. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Mild November first cold snap around 15th dec quite severe with heavy snowfall for the North east via a potent Norh easterly with some showers getting across to the west but no big accumulations here, east coast and south east also big convective snow showers with southerly tracking lows also clipping south west and central southern Englang at times. warm up for christmas but then a reload in early to mid jan, mild second half of jan with some storms first bit of feb anticyclonic then deep cold mid feb but maybe also quite dry but with some snow. mild end and mild spring.

Ive just done a coverted double. Earliest winter thread starter and earliest application for a Sacra number. If i get the may CET correctly which im certainly going to be near. what a treble that would be. And the fact that i get criticised a lot on here is a good thing as criticism can sometimes mask envy and envy as we all know is the greatest form of flattery.